Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

yeah, and thats what I'm saying this "strategic patience" isn't really "strategic". All it is, is a reluctance to fight. And eventually it allowed for Israel pick off Hezbollah, without any response from Iran. What its shown, is this whole "axis", isn't an axis. Atleast Hezbollah tried I'll give them that, they aren't as pathetic as the Iraqi PMUs.
Same could be said with Syria jolani and his group are in a weakened state and are allowing Israel to do what they wish without any response whatsoever and they’re currently the dominant power in Syria and having turkey at their ringside isn’t intimidating the Israelis.

If you think I’m bad mouthing jolani I’m not it’s a fact he can’t do anything at this point in time or in the long foreseeable future to Israel. PMU launched several dozen drones I think a couple of them were direct hits but PMU is just a large militia are they going to overrun Jordan go through the West Bank nope not going to happen, to be fair if they were in the West Bank I think they would have given it a try. Houthis aren’t invading Israel tomorrow but they give as good as they could with what they had.
Honestly my point is why rag on groups that at least tried to do something even if it was with limited resources there are many countries all around Israel who could have done more not just militarily but could have cut off all economic and diplomatic relations but many of these Arab and so called Muslim leaders increased things on both sides
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Same could be said with Syria jolani and his group are in a weakened state and are allowing Israel to do what they wish without any response whatsoever and they’re currently the dominant power in Syria and having turkey at their ringside isn’t intimidating the Israelis.

If you think I’m bad mouthing jolani I’m not it’s a fact he can’t do anything at this point in time or in the long foreseeable future to Israel. PMU launched several dozen drones I think a couple of them were direct hits but PMU is just a large militia are they going to overrun Jordan go through the West Bank nope not going to happen, to be fair if they were in the West Bank I think they would have given it a try. Houthis aren’t invading Israel tomorrow but they give as good as they could with what they had.
Honestly my point is why rag on groups that at least tried to do something even if it was with limited resources there are many countries all around Israel who could have done more not just militarily but could have cut off all economic and diplomatic relations but many of these Arab and so called Muslim leaders increased things on both sides
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Iran isn't Syria so that comparison doesn't work, and the way the Iranians talk, it doesn't match up with what they do.
 
Iran isn't Syria so that comparison doesn't work, and the way the Iranians talk, it doesn't match up with what they do.
Iran also isn’t next door to Israel very limited options to intervene

Don’t disagree with you either but how some people talk about Iran but that could be said about most people regarding each of their perspectives countries
 
Iran also isn’t next door to Israel very limited options to intervene

Don’t disagree with you either but how some people talk about Iran but that could be said about most people regarding each of their perspectives countries

Send drone attacks via Iraq or True Promise 4.
 
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US Envoy Tom Barrack:

Lebanon is a failed state. There's no central bank. The banking system is bust.

There's no electricity—people rely on private generators. For water and education, you need private providers.

So what's the state? The state is Hezbollah. In the south, Hezbollah provides water, education.

It has 40,000 soldiers; the LAF has 60,000. But Hezbollah soldiers make $2,200 a month, LAF soldiers $275.

Hezbollah has 15–20,000 rockets and missiles; LAF soldiers have old jeeps and AK-47s. What's happening here?
 
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US Envoy Tom Barrack:

Lebanon is a failed state. There's no central bank. The banking system is bust.

There's no electricity—people rely on private generators. For water and education, you need private providers.

So what's the state? The state is Hezbollah. In the south, Hezbollah provides water, education.

It has 40,000 soldiers; the LAF has 60,000. But Hezbollah soldiers make $2,200 a month, LAF soldiers $275.

Hezbollah has 15–20,000 rockets and missiles; LAF soldiers have old jeeps and AK-47s. What's happening here?

Honestly you have to live the guy so is he saying Hezbollah would do better to run the country pretty much sounds exactly like what he said
 
Covered most of your points earlier in this thread and many others. Prefer not to repeat myself but allow me to disagree with some of your points.

Anyway what is the "Arab cause" exactly? Palestine is a small part of this.

You are too obsessed about KSA, nowhere has "Saudi Arabian policy" enabled Israel anywhere. KSA has been championing the Palestinian cause since 1948 (unlike Iran) and to this day politically it was KSA and France that was behind major Western European countries (for the first time) recognizing Palestine (UK, France etc. itself). The most pro-Palestinian concrete change in the past 2 years.

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Due to mostly Saudi Arabian lobbying.

Anyway fine, let us assume your logic is correct.

What has "Iran championing" Palestine amounted to or given the Palestinians if not utter humiliation, defeat and the worst loss of live in the entire conflict?

If we go by your logic, the whole Iranian agenda has failed miserably. Hezbollah destroyed/South Lebanon, Gaza leveled to the ground etc. Some even say that 7th of October was coordinated with Iran in order to stop more Arab states normalizing with Israel and trying to find a diplomatic solution by engaging with Israel/Israelis for the first time in history directly and opening up more people to people relations in order (partially) also to help sway Israeli opinions in more pro-Arab directions. We don't really know what could/would have occurred long-term. Some pragmatics could easily say that it would be worth a try given that the alternatives (hostility, no ties at all) did not work or change status quo, rather the contrary, more settlements were being built each year.

The Houthi vs Yemen/KSA/Arab coalition war ended in 2020 by large. You were off by half (decade claim).

The backward Houthis are just opportunists, using the conflict for their own gains while achieving nothing (yet to kill more than 1 Israeli). If that is victory in your world, so be it. In return Israel has killed 100's of Yemenis.

Just cheap useless rhetoric that does not amount to anything. The military solution is not going to work against a nuclear armed Israel fully backed by the US/West/NATO. Even Russia supports it and China has excellent ties with it. This delusion will just continue to kill more Palestinians and people of the region.

I am happy that KSA is not engaging in this low IQ rhetoric/politics but tries to first unify Palestinian ranks (KSA brokered the Hamas/Fatah civil war), offer a concrete realistic peace proposal (Arab Peace Initiative) and is lobbying heavily for a Palestinian state which amounted to major Western European states officially recognizing a Palestinian state for the first time.

Anyway KSA/Arabs/Muslims/outsiders can only do so much, at the end of the day Palestinians and Israelis (in particular the Israelis) need to figure out a peaceful coexistence/just end to the conflict/solution and the most important outsider here is the US who holds the most sway over Israel.

BTW, some of your points would have more value if Iranian regime and Iran-aligned groups actually had amounted to something in regard to defeating Israel. Not the case which the entire world has already seen. Nor were you capable of preventing the genocide in Gaza (nobody was). My point is, the military solution has been tried (long before that) and has largely (not largely, failed completely) since 1948. Unlikely to change. Call me defeatist or whatever (don't really care) but I am pragmatic and focused on facts on the ground rather than wishful thinking or empty slogans.

And if it was so easy to solve this conflict, it would not have lasted so long and somebody would have solved it by now some way or another by forcing the hand of both, in particular Israel.

And no, personally I am not in favor of having any kind of relations with Israel (the state) but my opinion does not matter (yours neither) in this region and for the leaderships of this region. Nor do we know if "normalization"/genuine people to people interactions and trying the diplomatic solution (seriously) long-term will/would have any effects as that has never been tried before by the region collectively with outside support from relevant powers.

What I do know is that everyone in the region is tired of this conflict, including those involved directly (naturally) and that we want to see an end to this madness once and for all in one form or another that can realistically satisfy both parties because neither of them are going anywhere. The region has been hijacked long enough already by this nonsense, largely (99.99%) the fault of Israel/Jews. No sane person wants any wars or conflicts in the first place with anybody but wants to have peace, stability and development. I don't want for my sons and children to grow up in a region that Is permanently at war or in a region where the next war/conflict is just a question of time.

You still missed the core point. Iran’s involvement in regional movements did not appear out of nowhere. It filled a vacuum left by Arab powers when they chose not to support their own neighbors militarily, politically, or financially.

If Saudi had aided Lebanon when it was under siege, Hezbollah would not have needed Iranian support. If they had backed Palestinian resistance instead of isolating it, Iran would not have gained influence there. If they had come to Iraq’s aid when ISIS took over, Iran would not have become the key supporter of the PMU. These are organic movements born from crisis, not Iranian creations. Iran stepped in where others refused.

Now, you can argue that Iran’s support has been ineffective, self-serving, or counterproductive, that is a different debate entirely. Personally, I believe Iran’s elites exploit this stance to remain under sanctions and to benefit from monopolies, smuggling networks, and the absence of foreign investment. Some interpret it as a Shia cause, others as anti-imperialism, others as regional power projection. There are many theories and conspiracies. But the fact remains, Iran’s influence grew only because Arab leadership left a vacuum. And you cannot deny that Iran, for better or worse, is paying the price for taking that stance: sanctions, assassinations, isolation, and attacks.

Whether you approve of its motives or not, Iran is the one being punished for opposing the same system others are normalizing with. That is the reality I described. Everything else is a side discussion. And this is the last time I will explain it, because you seem unable to grasp it and I am not here for a dick measuring contest.
 
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Israel is assassinating Hezbollah members who are living their civilian lives in their villages

The last one got assassinated in front of his family outside his home

Another one last week got killed right after dropping his children in the daycare. Nobody's dying in any battlefield or while working with weapons.

Israel has a list of names and it's just assassinating them regardless if Hezbollah and Lebanon are abiding by the ceasefire or not. It's Israeli terrorism

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imagine if someone killed Jewish or American soldiers with their families at homes. it would be barbaric terrorism. but Israel does it on a daily basis and nobody bats an eyelid.
 
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Iraqi Minister of Defense:

The US Secretary of Defense informed, via a phone call conducted through the US Chargé d'Affaires in Baghdad, of the presence of anticipated military operations in the region, particularly on the Syrian side, and warned against the intervention of Iraqi factions.

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Iraqi Minister of Defense:

The US Secretary of Defense informed, via a phone call conducted through the US Chargé d'Affaires in Baghdad, of the presence of anticipated military operations in the region, particularly on the Syrian side, and warned against the intervention of Iraqi factions.

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Speculations that Israel may do a limited ground invasion into Lebanon's Beqaa valley through Syria

Syrian government forces would likely come under attack too

Syria reconstruction is being blocked too. Sanctions haven't been lifted off Syria. There are still a lot of them.

Lebanon and Gaza reconstruction being blocked as well.
 

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