Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[mythbuster]

What can any Airforce do against the might of an Airforce which boasts 1000's of fighters? We cannot even compete with the might of the Israeli Airforce with their 100+ F-35's. They get the top technology + free stuff (practically) and they can continue to have technological superiorit over most countries. The best we can do is maybe invest more and more on ECM and Jamming to sort of make them useless.

Furthermore, I guess the 2nd best thing we can do is to invest on our Missile Technology to be able to hit even the furthese corner and with MIRV'd HGV/ICBM and be able to evade the best Missile Defense Systems. This proven tech, along with the ability to hide them in scattered positions and in deep underground silos with ability to withstand repeated attacks with bunker busters and count in thousands would almost certainly be enough to deter anyone.

Air forces of middle powers are good against their peer equals , when it comes to super powers they are sitting ducks..... Iranian made a wise decision and threw all her resources in missiles development.....

 

[RescueRanger]

... #APT

 

[Yasser76]

Perhaps not. But certainly better than making false claims of accusing others of anti-Pakistan bias (whatever that means) and of being an Indian. But then tangential claims are the only weapons of people like you.

Now go ahead and react to this post with a laughing emoji or thumbs down like a silly teenager.

Moids, thread being derailed, guy has an issue with me obviously

 

[LC150]

Lesson # 1

Have national unity..

Lesson # 2

Have a professional military... people should do the jobs they were hired to do. It goes for all institution. As it stands apart from the airforce no institution is doing their jobs effectively.

Lesson # 3

Invest in first rate education STEM etc we need capable engineers and scientist not only to build but be a effective operator

 

[Olympus81]

Lessons for Pakistan

- Build underground missile / drone factories deep inside mountain terrain in Balochistan / KP.

- TELs are a bottleneck and a weak link when it comes to deploying missiles. Smaller, agile truck mounted missile / drone launchers need to be built at scale.

- PA needs to build MLRS systems at scale. Be it truck chassis or tank mounted.

- More SHORADs against drones and low flying objects. PA is probably working on this after BuM.

 

[Falcon26]

Lessons for Pakistan

- Build underground missile / drone factories deep inside mountain terrain in Balochistan / KP.

- TELs are a bottleneck and a weak link when it comes to deploying missiles. Smaller, agile truck mounted missile / drone launchers need to be built at scale.

- PA needs to build MLRS systems at scale. Be it truck chassis or tank mounted.

- More SHORADs against drones and low flying objects. PA is probably working on this after BuM.

I will also add extensively repurpose your highways to be used as wartime airstrips as most airbases will be targeted. Sweden does this better than anyone else and they have built incredible air operations resilience.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Lessons for Pakistan

- Build underground missile / drone factories deep inside mountain terrain in Balochistan / KP.

- TELs are a bottleneck and a weak link when it comes to deploying missiles. Smaller, agile truck mounted missile / drone launchers need to be built at scale.

- PA needs to build MLRS systems at scale. Be it truck chassis or tank mounted.

- More SHORADs against drones and low flying objects. PA is probably working on this after BuM.

- EW/EA, EW/EA, and more EW/EA. Make it up to 600km with SiC technology. Put it everywhere, including HALE drones with quick A2A reaction capability.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistan needs to build relations with Israel and cover off India's leverage.

Iran has ties with India. Turkey have ties with Israel. KSA and Egypt do too.

It is better this way to build bridges and relations.

If the ties are mutually beneficial, they can ease up on their espionage and proxy wars as they will no longer see Pakistan as a threat regardless of what India and there can be a natural conclusion to BLA.

 

[baqai]

Pakistan needs to build relations with Israel and cover off India's leverage.

Iran has ties with India. Turkey have ties with Israel. KSA and Egypt do too.

It is better this way to build bridges and relations.

If the ties are mutually beneficial, they can ease up on their espionage and proxy wars as they will no longer see Pakistan as a threat regardless of what India and there can be a natural conclusion to BLA.

never EVER any ties with Israel, we don't recognize those butchers and invaders

 

[Hazard]

My two pence:
Reduce the size of the army, and focus on QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY. Threat of land invasion is not imminent given the era of drones, stand off munitions - it'll be near impossible for the invader to hold on to the territory, whilst the defending nation picks out the rats one at a time.
Focus on Ballistic Missiles/Hypersonic missiles: if the current Iran war has shown us one thing, then this is it. Effective against an adversary located 1500 miles away. Why risk the lives of our pilots? We need to seek Iranian expertise in this field.
India is NOT main threat: Pakistan needs to accept this fact pronto. Whilst India remains our enemy, if the recent skirmishes are anything to go by, I don't see India fancying their chances against us conventionally, given that we retain the capability to take their jets off just as they're taking off.
The real enemy is in the MIDDLE East, and they're coming for us whether or not we like it. We need to start preparing from TODAY, we don't have a choice.
China: Chinese WILL NOT, and I repeat WILL NOT come to our aid - other than a token gesture as usual and very strong statements, but that's about it. We need to come out of this emotional state and see the reality for what it is: this'll be our battle and we must fight it ourselves.
Traitors from within: absolutely show no mercy, get the house in order.
Defence spending/economy: Defence spending needs to be increased, this goes without saying but we need to use the limited resources wisely, prioritise threats, and weaponry in order and focus on that first. For example, British Army, whilst only 90k in numbers is trained/equipped to fight an army 3x its size. What does that tell you? Economics: please for the love of our nation get the right people in charge, who are actually qualified for this role. Not the likes of Ishaq dar.

A very basic list above and we can start from today.
I reckon Pakistan realistically has 5 to 10 years to prepare before the Rats start knocking on our doors.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I believe this is what Israeli fighters used to strike targets in Iran, ALBM. Sparrow family.

Pakistan needs equivalents of these. CM-400 has a very limited range.

 

[newb3e]

Pakistan needs to build relations with Israel and cover off India's leverage.

Iran has ties with India. Turkey have ties with Israel. KSA and Egypt do too.

It is better this way to build bridges and relations.

If the ties are mutually beneficial, they can ease up on their espionage and proxy wars as they will no longer see Pakistan as a threat regardless of what India and there can be a natural conclusion to BLA.

aur kitnay utwao gey meri jind meri jaan say thaak jaye ga bichara golf kab enipy karay ga larka e azeem!

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

This was likely used against Qatar in Doha too

 

[Ali_Baba]

This was likely used against Qatar in Doha too

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India is purchasing these systems from Israel, so this is a new threat vector for Pakistan. Launch vechicles would be Su30MKIs/Rafales at least.

 

[Raja Porus]

Unserious, treating everything as a joke - very specific to Punjabis. During 2019 clash, my uncle used the word "maza aagaya" when the bombs were missed (now I think very deliberately) by the IAF. Me sitting in Germany, working with very serious clientele, and dealing with the society took my uncles comment as WTF?

There was a video of some Pakistani coming back from Iran recently and basically said that he was enjoying the fireworks [bombing of innocent people by the enemy forces]. and I thought to myself, wow just wow at the thought process for Punjabis (they are the chief culprit with this ret*rded mindset).

These guys went back to dance and song and everything is okay after May 2025 attack on Pakistan by Indian forces. a normal functioning people and society would've have forced its armed forces to engage massively with the enemy so the option of limited war is removed from their toolkits, but alas Pakistanis are mentally challenged, like low iq part of the world where they can't process emotions properly and do not understand the deeper effects of things happening around them.

@mods

Fair pushback, but I would argue the ISI isn’t even doing its primary job. No one expects the ISI to compensate for the broader state failure afflicting Pakistan. That’s given. But it lacks in its primary role of intelligence collections and analysis.

For example, Pakistan spent the entire Afghanistan war clandestinely aiding the Taliban. It got sanctioned and isolated for it. As soon as the Americans and NATO left, their supposed proxy turned rogue and initiated an active project of dismantling the Pakistani state.

The ongoing operations by Pakistan inside Afghanistan reflects this basic failure. The ISI didn’t know what it was getting into by supporting the Taliban. Today the Taliban are closer to India than Pakistan. That reflects an intelligence failure of epic proportions. Not to mention the ISI’s failure in locating senior BLA and TTP leadership in Afghanistan. Mossad with substantially less experience in Iran is able to eliminate to the entire cadre of Iranian leadership. RAW is executing operations in Canada and the US.

The ISI’s only known overseas operations in recent years was murdering a Pakistani journalist in cold blood in Kenya.

Ps

One of the most wanted people in Pakistan is a former ISI agent who went rogue and has engineered some of the biggest attacks in Pakistan. So the ISI can’t even handle its own agents.

I do not agree with the last part of your post, because saying ISI has “long ceased to be an effective intelligence agency” is too broad and frankly reflects a shallow reading of how intelligence systems actually function. It is fair to argue that India has improved over the last decade, especially by investing more seriously in HUMINT while strengthening its technical capabilities, and it is also fair to say Pakistan’s system has become increasingly reactive and distracted by domestic political priorities. But that is very different from claiming the entire institution now survives on reputation alone.

ISI’s shortcomings are better understood as a result of distorted state priorities from the top, followed by weak coordination and degraded follow-through across the rest of the system. ISI does not own troops, does not run the FIA, does not command provincial police, and does not directly govern formations, FC structures, or the chronically weak administrative framework in places like former FATA and parts of Balochistan. It can support, coordinate, and sometimes temporarily prop up parts of that ecosystem, but it cannot substitute for absent governance, inconsistent policy, or a fragmented state response. Expecting one rotating institution, with changing leadership, limited mandates, and finite resources, to compensate for structural failures across the state is not serious analysis; it is a misunderstanding of what intelligence agencies are actually built to do.

Also don't forget that US invaded Iraq for WMDs in 2003 and ISI (and army) had all the reasons to keep US busy in Afg as it was a widely held belief that our nukes might be the next target (even as late as kiyani) - US statements and evaluations also didn't help.

TTA's coming to power might've been beneficial had we managed our borders aka opposed resettlement of TTP (which is again not an institutional failure but that of policy making). Similarly we didn't target BLA leadership inside Iran but after Iran struck Pakistan we hit them back which mean "intel" was there, will to act was lacking.

But yes our apparatus has gone from proactive to defensive and somewhat survival mode but the credit for that goes to our economy and forex.