Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Neojinnah]

So you want to dissolve the Pakistani state or something?

you are incoherent. In one instance you say,

"But any Pakistani who thinks Pakistan can survive as an independent nation constantly fighting to preserve its Eastern and Western borders is delusional. It's unsustainable. "

But in the next breathe you say.

"The Afghan Pashtun people will never stop pursuing an end to the Durand Line b/c it is an artificial border imposed upon the Pashtun locals of the region by a colonial power."

you are saying that a constant struggle is unsustainable, then you say they will never accept it, i.e. fight you till eternity, and that fighting is unsustainable. So in essence you are saying that Pakistan will collapse or that it should collapse so as to end the conflict.

Both things can be true.

It also applies to Afghan Pashtuns. They can spend the next 1000 years fighting for the end of the Durand Line (if it lasts that long). But it will punish them and destroy their country (as it as already done). The same goes for Pakistan. It is an unsustainable conflict which will one day completely ruin the country. But that doesn't mean people will continue trying to fight it.

 

[hyperman]

Forcing a settlement on the Durand Line would be about as effective as the Simla Agreement which India was able to impose on Pakistan after the 1971 war.

You think the Armenians have accepted the current border between Turkey and Armenia mentally? You don't need that, what you need is a secure border and a status quo, one that the adversary signs to legally, even if it doesn't accept it mentally.

 

[hyperman]

Both things can be true.

It also applies to Afghan Pashtuns. They can spend the next 1000 years fighting for the end of the Durand Line (if it lasts that long). But it will punish them and destroy their country (as it as already done). The same goes for Pakistan. It is an unsustainable conflict which will one day completely ruin the country. But that doesn't mean people will continue trying to fight it.

You make no sense because you aren't really presenting any solutions or conclusions/end.

 

[Neojinnah]

You think the Armenians have accepted the current border between Turkey and Armenia mentally? You don't need that, what you need is a secure border and a status quo, one that the adversary signs to legally, even if it doesn't accept it mentally.

You are only thinking about this from the lens of the status quo and trying to justify it. So there's nothing wrong with maintaining hostility and tensions for decades because you can just making sure you spend enough on your military to avoid the other country overturning the status quo.

I am thinking outside the status quo and what the world could have been. Pakistan suffers from terrorism, a drug epidemic, two insurgencies on the Western front, misallocation of capital away from human development to military, and much more, because of refusing to budge on the Durand Line.

Not to mention the correct analogy here isn't Turkey and Armenia but Turkey and their war with the Arabs against the emergence of a Kurdish nation. So much energy went into erasing the national identity of another group of people, keeping them suppressed, fighting nationalist groups, etc to maintain a status quo which will never make sense to me (though I'm an outsider).

 

[PK781]

It had been a long time since zionists had been held responsible for a war or a crisis... Without the zionists alibi you would be lost, isn't it?
(I just add that I'm an atheist).

just bcaz your nations(europe) have cucked and submitted totally to zionists, doesn't mean everyone has.
The muslim world is waking up, and when its time, Things will change and happen and stun those who think its all BS.

We're never lost our way, we know our destination and the path necessary. The hurdles in the way will be removed no matter what.

The downings of french Rafale in india was a stunner for everyone too. Just like that.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistan should normalize its relations with India and bury the hatchet of enmity. We should not allow India to be used by Israel and USA. We have no cause for enmity with them. Together the Hindus and the Muslims lived for more than a thousand years amicably. Only the British with their divide and rule policy created enmity between the two peoples. Urdu-Hindi Controversy was created by the British through their agents. The controversy was not even about the spoken language, it was about how it was written; in Persian script or Devnagri. Even today we can easily understand hindi films and even speeches by BJP politicians despite the adoption of new words. Many Hindu rajas fought on the side of Muslim Rulers like Akbar and Sher Shah. The two peoples jointly struggled for liberation from the British. Bacha Khan had family relations with Gandhi and the Nehru family and Indira Gandhi studied in Shanti Nekatan School of Rabindra Nath Tagore together with Wali Khan and Ghani Khan. Nawaz Sharif has very good terms with Indian Politicians. If we send Nawaz and Shehbaz along with Aimal Wali Khan to India to meet with BJP and Congress leaders then peace can be quickly achieved. The two armies share the same history, same traditions, same culture and same professionalism. One retired major got into serious trouble some years back after writing to the top military authorities that the troops on the Punjab border had whiskey bouts along with their Indian counterparts LOL.

As Pakistan has now entered the Makkah Defence Pact, it should turn its eyes and focus from the East to the West, North and Middle East and quickly forge new Defence Agreements with Muslim Countries, particularly members of the ECO so that it can become a regional mini Super Power.

Secondly, it should create an Economic Union like the European Union with its new partners so as to lift the region out of poverty and also to share advances in different fields with each other.

If Pakistan removes the constant friction with India then it can concentrate on its economic growth.

Speed is of essence in creating the new pacts with brotherly Muslim countries because the enemies of Islam are already planning to test and dismantle this military pact. Finally, if Pakistan becomes a bigger power, then India would automatically try to have peace with us.

India's economy must be damaged, trade/energy routes disrupted, social fabric destroyed, balkanized, denuclearized and de-fanged into manageable chunks.

They had it easy for too long, a free ride to accumlate trade and wealth. Europe pour in $100 billion a year while they make their trade conditional to Pakistan. The Arabs have been doing the same while Indian proxies and death squads have turned half of Pakistan into a warzone. Enough of this.

 

[Neojinnah]

You make no sense because you aren't really presenting any solutions or conclusions/end.

Well the only real solution is dismantling the border, free travel for locals who were divided by it for centuries, and a combination of imagination, statecraft, and diplomacy which is lacking in the rulers of the world. And like I said, if it sounds unbelievable/impractical, hoping to crush Afghanistan enough until it accepts the Durand Line is also impractical, and that's why Pakistan is suffering from multiple insurgencies right now pursuing that policy.