Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[mythbuster]

Unfortunately.. this was the only reason for no action..,

Mecca Pact was ready to be activated. Pakistan got Paralysed. Tehran exposed Islamabads Achille…

Iranians basically offered Afghanistan. a plot of land in Chabhar Port. Meaning it would have unravelled all Pakistans pressure on Kabul to stop its terrorists activities.

Iran used this threat if Pakistani military had carried out any strikes on the Houthis.

Afghanistan already has full access to to chabhar port , what difference a plot would make?

 

[r3alist]

This is a good listen, it covers everyone's concerns and sentiments

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Unfortunately.. this was the only reason for no action..,

Mecca Pact was ready to be activated. Pakistan got Paralysed. Tehran exposed Islamabads Achille…

Iranians basically offered Afghanistan. a plot of land in Chabhar Port. Meaning it would have unravelled all Pakistans pressure on Kabul to stop its terrorists activities.

Iran used this threat if Pakistani military had carried out any strikes on the Houthis.

Let Saudis figure this one out for themselves...
The assumptions on which they escalated fell back on their face... and now they have no choice... the face saver no longer exists... they'll have to yield.


They knew that orange clown has used them for ransom in this war... the only beneficiary here is or will be zion... unless actively pursued... outside of the shield provided by the US. It is this maneuvering and manipulation thatfhe captive audience in Saudi Arabia cannot see past. This is the war zion Saudis wanted for a long gime... so what gives?why cold feet? Who did they think was going to pay the price? And this allows zion to chip in as the savior of last resort for the ruling family.

As I said Pakistan has to see past them... they cannot salvage their rule... but they can potentially protect the region from going into a blood bath.

Remember, this scenario depends on certain things happening in sequence, one after another, without another entry.

 

[KingQamaR]

Afghanistan already has full access to to chabhar port , what difference a plot would make?

That’s not true.

Tehran and Afghanistan have had a very rocky relationship since Taliban came into power:

They’ve had, border clash with each other on border posts positioning , afghani refugees forcibly returned to Afghanistan in big numbers.

And water rights war.

 

[KingQamaR]

Let Saudis figure this one out for themselves...
The assumptions on which they escalated fell back on their face... and now they have no choice... the face saver no longer exists... they'll have to yield.


They knew that orange clown has used them for ransom in this war... the only beneficiary here is or will be zion... unless actively pursued... outside of the shield provided by the US. It is this maneuvering and manipulation thatfhe captive audience in Saudi Arabia cannot see past. This is the war zion Saudis wanted for a long gime... so what gives?why cold feet? Who did they think was going to pay the price? And this allows zion to chip in as the savior of last resort for the ruling family.

As I said Pakistan has to see past them... they cannot salvage their rule... but they can potentially protect the region from going into a blood bath.

Remember, this scenario depends on certain things happening in sequence, one after another, without another entry.

More and more it is obvious that airpower alone can't deal with regional threats. They need Saudi boots on the ground and a lot of them, which means a lot of casualties. If they are not willing to commit this forces, the drone swarms let minor powers like Houthis punch well above their weight. Saudi Arabia will then be seen by all its regional rivals as a paper tiger. If they carn’t protect themselves. Then in hindsight Sauidis maybe you shouldn't act as if you could idiots.

 

[Starlord]

More and more it is obvious that airpower alone can't deal with regional threats. They need Saudi boots on the ground and a lot of them, which means a lot of casualties. If they are not willing to commit this forces, the drone swarms let minor powers like Houthis punch well above their weight. Saudi Arabia will then be seen by all its regional rivals as a paper tiger. If they carn’t protect themselves. Then in hindsight Sauidis maybe you shouldn't act as if you could idiots.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

second/Bold part of this quote explain Saudi's situation best. Every regional power such as Pakistan, Turkiye and now even Iran is fighting tooth and nail for their interests and survival, heck even non state actors like Hezbullah/Houthis/Taliban keep fighting and engaging their alleged enemy and gain priceless experience, despite the losses. But KSA/Qatar/UAE/Kuwait they still think that they can just buy their way out of everything, they were building these nice cities and a comfortable life for their civilians, which is fine by me but those comfort and luxurious life style has turn Saudi Armed forces into practically useless, despite a dire need of a ground invasion KSA still hesitate to dedicate troops for ground invasion, maybe so they can see the writing on the wall? that it will be a bloodbath for their soldiers and those who survive will carry all that Trauma/PTSD back home which can lead to revolutions and civil unrest. KSA can buy fancy planes, tanks, AD systems but without a Army willing to fight tooth and nail for their country, they ain't winning any wars/conflict.

 

[PK781]

I agree, and the smartest thing that they've ever done was probably foster strong kinship and support with Pakistan all these decades. Hopefully forming the Mecca pact will be the second smartest thing they've done, it has the potential to be something transformative and beneficial to the entire region if it survives this early phase. Praying for the best.

yeah bro, it will need to be extended not just for Saudi, but also for all the other countries in the region, specially Syria, Iraq, Libya, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, etc
Slowly but surely Pak and Turk will need to do this fast. We're all in this together and all these countries are very important for us. Damascus/Syria specially as it holds significance in the end times.

 

[Haz]

yeah bro, it will need to be extended not just for Saudi, but also for all the other countries in the region, specially Syria, Iraq, Libya, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, etc
Slowly but surely Pak and Turk will need to do this fast. We're all in this together and all these countries are very important for us. Damascus/Syria specially as it holds significance in the end times.

Egypt is also by far the most critical country to get on board too. Despite all the talk about Saudi, the real true sleeping giant of the Arab world has always been and remains to be them. If they weren't so weighed down by absolutely suffocating shit military dictatorships of Mubarak and now Sisi, they could've been a major heavy weight that tipped the scales in the region. Unfortunate the Zios managed to overthrew Morsi, he could've been another strong ally to join the coalition. I hope they wake up soon, we could use their help right now.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The KSA is really inside the dire straits. Thanks to the Misak-i Mekka, a direct ground invasion against the KSA might be avoided. But, it'd require the activation of the Joint Command with full executive power for both military and diplomatic matters.....

A couple of years back I was kidding that 500K Pak troops need to deployed to secure the KSA/GCC! Looks like it might come true!! Strangely, I read somewhere that Pakistan has a 500K strong reserve forces. I don't know whether it's true or not....

A silver lining: the KSA folks are learning some hard lessons in hard ways. One Musibet is better than a thousand Nesihat....

 

[KingQamaR]

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

second/Bold part of this quote explain Saudi's situation best. Every regional power such as Pakistan, Turkiye and now even Iran is fighting tooth and nail for their interests and survival, heck even non state actors like Hezbullah/Houthis/Taliban keep fighting and engaging their alleged enemy and gain priceless experience, despite the losses. But KSA/Qatar/UAE/Kuwait they still think that they can just buy their way out of everything, they were building these nice cities and a comfortable life for their civilians, which is fine by me but those comfort and luxurious life style has turn Saudi Armed forces into practically useless, despite a dire need of a ground invasion KSA still hesitate to dedicate troops for ground invasion, maybe so they can see the writing on the wall? that it will be a bloodbath for their soldiers and those who survive will carry all that Trauma/PTSD back home which can lead to revolutions and civil unrest. KSA can buy fancy planes, tanks, AD systems but without a Army willing to fight tooth and nail for their country, they ain't winning any wars/conflict.

Saudis are paid fighters,
they don’t really want to die for any cause
Because even after all, they realise the cause isn’t worth the cost of their lives. Saudi military never thought they would ever need to train properly to fight LOL. They assumed the US would come to their aid. The money their spending was just to keep the American happy, assuming that given all the money they spend and invest in the U.S would compel the Americans to fight for them.. They just learned a hard lesson. But this is the oldest story in the books ; the fat and rich people in power getting toppled by the poor and scrappy upstarts with conviction.

 

[retaxis]

Pakistan could just send more troops into KSA to help deal with houthis then turn around and take the whole country and the trillions of oil Lol.

jokes aside, the only fighting force is the national royal guards in ksa, the rest of the military is still tribal and likely will try to overthrow the saud family which is why national royal guards are there to stop them.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Middle East Eye's post

Despite sustained Turkish efforts, Egypt declined to join the Mecca agreement as it sought to balance its security ties with Israel and the UAE
Why Egypt held back from joining Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan's defence pact

Far too soon, Saudi Arabia joined the Mecca pact and within a few weeks the Houthis were launched against them with the zion world looking on. If Egypt joined the Mecca pact the entire zion axis would immediatly attempt to take egypt out the game. Most likily they would instigate a regime change.

There is a time and place for everything, you go too soon or too late you end up losing more.

Egypt right now is in no position to join the pact. Once Turkiye has completely stabilised Syria, entrenched her military and built the Syrian military along Turkish lines, then attempts for Egypt to join are reasonable. Since should the isrealis instigate a war, the Turkish army with the Syrian army is there on the northern border of Isreal.

Probably this will take about 10 years.

 

[Ravenman]

Azerbaijans recent hostile diplomatic acts against Turkey are also the result of the Meccah Pact.

After the Mecca Pact:

- Houthis attack Saudi Arabia as there is no tomorrow.
- Azerbaidjan is hostile against Turkey (cursing the Sectretary of Erdogan, cursing Turkish ministers at national TV and they welcomed the Turkish FM at a dishonourable way while they were rolling red carpets for the Israeli President and they let him fly in a Azeri airplane through Turkish airspace).
- The Taliban transferring drone technology to the TTP to bolster attacks against Pakistani forces.

 

[RocketLaw]

The Saudi's have been living a life of insane luxury since the discovery of oil.

While Pakistan, since its creation, has been fighting battles against proxies and against india since forever. That perpetual state of being in a war/security situation has led our forces to be well-prepared and battle-hardened and its allowed us to be at the best in terms of military preparations.

Perhaps it was the WILL of Almighty to prepare us for the truly tough tribulations ahead. Bigger responsibility of not just guarding our own territory, but helping our arab brothers as well in the entire middle East.

What you said is likely true. They have been lazy and no real combat experiences.

I also think China is very similar to Saudi Arabia as they have been living a life of luxury, profitable, money obsessions, business, gambling, and wealth, it will likely become lazy and have no real combat experience so far since 70 years ago during Korea wars.

North Korea will help China (soft panda) if necessary as they deployed their soldiers in Ukraine for valuable experiences along with Russia.

 

[Intervention-06]

I don’t understand - for what Pakistan should help - Saudis haven’t invested in Pakistan military industry - neither in providing equipment ! Pakistan should ask for Billions 60-100 billions !