Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Ali_Baba]

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I think maybe Pakistan and Türkiye are there to knock some common sense into Saudi Arabia with regards to their idiotic approach to both Yemen, and Iran before it all gets out of hand...

It does feel like both Pakistan and Türkiye are the only "adults" in the muslim world right now..

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think maybe Pakistan and Türkiye are there to knock some common sense into Saudi Arabia with regards to their idiotic approach to both Yemen, and Iran before it all gets out of hand...

It does feel like both Pakistan and Türkiye are the only "adults" in the muslim world right now..

Outside of financing Saudi really offers nothing. So you include them either for that or you don't include them. Their not going to fight any serious war. Pakistanis include them exactly because of the money, nothing else.

So for Saudi to be included in an alliance with a military strong and important nation like Turkiye there must be financial obligations. And i don't even mean handing money to Turkiye, i mean instead of spending billions of western hardware, they should buy Turkish instead.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Reminder, the Iranian mod of this forum and all Persian members have clearly voiced their support for things that were described in this HRW report from 1994. Iranian mod Persian Gulf told me, with a straight face, that "Artsakh was Armenian" and that Azerbaijan was in the wrong, although the whole conflict started because of Armenian irredentism: Miatsum.

Karabakh movement - Wikipedia

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This predates First Karabakh War by decades. There was obviously an Azerbaijani reaction to Armenian irredentism, same way there is an Iranian reaction to Baloch or Kurdish separatism.

He used not Karabakh, the name that has been used since 13th century in ALL Islamic sources, but "Artsakh", which was "revived" under Miatsum movement. Although of old origins, it fell out of use since 13th century like said, and was "revived" under Miatsum movement. That’s why most Armenians to this day still use Karabakh over "Artsakh", yet these people, purely out of their hatred against Azerbaijanis, use a revisionist name. I challenge him to find any mention of "Artsakh", rather than Qarabagh, in any Persian or Islamic source since 13th century.

Persian members regularly quote Ehsan Mohavedian on this forum, a literal fascist charlatan whos articles and tweets are 90% directed against Azerbaijan (which he calls "Baku Republic"). He also fully supports Armenian views.

One can only conclude that ethnic Persians supported Armenians raping, pillaging and destroying Azerbaijani settlements and killing 16 thousand Azerbaijani civilians (4x the Armenian civilian death count).

These people are also in conflict with millions of Azerbaijanis in Iran. Not only that it is the correct position according to international law, and thus the official position of Iran itself, but they are obviously going to support their kin. I say this, because these Persians at the same time claim to be "compatriots" with Iranian Azerbaijanis.

You are not going to tell me that Shahriar, one of the greatest Iranian poets ever, was going to support Armenians, are you? Dear Persians of this forum. You can’t understand this, but he talks about "people of Azerbaijan", and he included Azerbaijanis of Caucasus in that. He has many poems were he talks fondly about Azerbaijanis of Caucasus as his kind. As I said, you are in conflict with millions of your own "compatriots".

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Only 3 page out of hundreds of pages detailing Armenian war crimes in First Karabakh War, released in 1994 by Human Rights Watch.

"Two women were raped before the eyes of the male captives"

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Its definitely important that their actions are not forgotten. The reason they get a pass these days is because they are seen as nothing compared to the Zionist threat in the region.

If they were not being bombed by zionists, they would no doubts be the most hostile nation in the region.

It was only yesterday that the iranians were exterminating the muslims in syria and supporting the pkk kurdish terrorists against Turkiye. We also know their support for christian armenians against Muslim Azerbaijani Turks. Support that is happy to see Christians murder Muslims.

When the americans were going to play the same trick on iran, Turkiye thankfully didn't play that stupid game the iranians played against Turkiye and refused to support a kurdish revolt against iran.

But they certainly are not friends let alone allies.

 

[hussain0216]

Things are happening behind the scenes that we can only guess at

But this will change the future of our region and the Muslim world

It will be a slow process,
It will take time
Their will be set backs
Their will be many enemies

But it is happening

And don't think of this as Pakistan-Turkey-Saudi Arabia


Think about WHO those countries are bringing along

Turkey and the Turkic world
Saudi and the Arab world
Pakistan a nuclear power and it's close relationship with China as bridge




We can't keep going on the same path we have in the recent path, the Muslim world is massive with vital resources, geo strategic position and population

We can create something powerful if we plan accordingly

 

[Starlord]

Things are happening behind the scenes that we can only guess at

But this will change the future of our region and the Muslim world

It will be a slow process,
It will take time
Their will be set backs
Their will be many enemies

But it is happening

And don't think of this as Pakistan-Turkey-Saudi Arabia


Think about WHO those countries are bringing along

Turkey and the Turkic world
Saudi and the Arab world
Pakistan a nuclear power and it's close relationship with China as bridge




We can't keep going on the same path we have in the recent path, the Muslim world is massive with vital resources, geo strategic position and population

We can create something powerful if we plan accordingly

Each country brings something very powerful, unique and important to the table, KSA may not have defense industry or much fighting experience, but they have oil and resources, far greater than Turkiye and Pakistan for which they are very important, for Turkiye they bring a unique experience of fighting wars against proxy (Syria/PKK/ISIS) and both KSA/Pak can learn a lot, also Turkiye bring a lot of technology to the table from which both Pak/KSA can benefit from, Turkiye also have a good manpower, And finally Pakistan brings nukes, Strong military and a good geopolitical position, because of its good ties with America/China both, and also good ties with Iran/ other regions.

Some people will be mad because they are letting their sectarianism emotions taking a hold of their thinking, and that's the unfortunate situation of Pakistan, if Pakistan sign a defense deal with Iran, you would see Sunni Pakistan lose their minds not because whether it helps Pakistan or not but because we have our own sectarianism bias, I see some members who often post sensible posts are now resorting to stupid posts just because their sect loyalties lies with Iran rathan than Pakistan.

 

[Qaraca]

Its definitely important that their actions are not forgotten. The reason they get a pass these days is because they are seen as nothing compared to the Zionist threat in the region.

If they were not being bombed by zionists, they would no doubts be the most hostile nation in the region.

It was only yesterday that the iranians were exterminating the muslims in syria and supporting the pkk kurdish terrorists against Turkiye. We also know their support for christian armenians against Muslim Azerbaijani Turks. Support that is happy to see Christians murder Muslims.

When the americans were going to play the same trick on iran, Turkiye thankfully didn't play that stupid game the iranians played against Turkiye and refused to support a kurdish revolt against iran.

But they certainly are not friends let alone allies.

What is described in those 3 pages are from the village of Chaytumas. See where it is located in relation to Iranian border.

Çaytumas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[maxpane]

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye sign Makkah Joint Defence Agreement​

Turkish president in Saudi Arabia for talks with PM Shehbaz, Saudi crown prince

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Saudi Crown Prince MBS, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, CDF Field Marshal Asim Munir pictured in Makkah. PHOTO: X

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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkiye have signed the Makkah Joint Defence Agreement, reaffirming their commitment to collective security, defence cooperation and regional stability, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA).

The agreement was signed during the Makkah Al-Mukarramah Summit for Joint Defence, held at Al-Safa Palace in Makkah on Friday, the statement said.

The Foreign Office said the agreement builds on the three countries' longstanding historical ties, shared strategic interests and defence cooperation. It said the pact reflects their collective commitment to strengthening security cooperation while promoting peace, security and stability across the region and beyond.

According to the ministry, the agreement establishes a framework for collective deterrence against acts of aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any one of the three signatory states will be regarded as an attack against all three.

The agreement also provides for enhanced cooperation across all aspects of defence between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Türkiye, the FO said.


According to the FO, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif visited Saudi Arabia at the invitation of King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Prince Mohammed bin Salman received him and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at Al-Safa Palace ahead of the summit.

The ministry said the three leaders reviewed the longstanding relations among Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkiye, along with a range of issues of mutual interest.

The three nations share growing concerns over Middle East chaos and an increasingly assertive Israel, as the United States struggles ⁠to contain regional threats.

Turkey has NATO's second-largest military. Saudi Arabia, the strongest Gulf state, is home to Islam's holiest sites and one of the world's top oil exporters, while Pakistan is the only nuclear-armed Muslim country.

Earlier, Turkiye's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrived in Saudi Arabia on Friday for a one-day working visit.


Erdogan's plane landed at King Abdulaziz International Airport in Jeddah, where he was welcomed by Mishaal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, deputy governor of the Makkah Region, Türkiye's Ambassador to Riyadh Emrullah Isler, and Consul General in Jeddah Mustafa Unal.

The president then departed for the holy city of Makkah by road. During the visit, Erdogan is expected to meet Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

Earlier, sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters that Turkiye, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are expected to sign a joint defence agreement in Makkah amid regional turmoil with Gulf states coming under fire from Iran ‌after it was attacked by the US and Israel.

Two regional sources with direct knowledge of the matter said the deal would be signed on Friday, which was later confirmed by a Turkish official. Another regional source said it was not clear whether the agreement would also be publicly announced on Friday.

PM Shehbaz, accompanied by Chief of Defence Forces and Chief of Army Staff Asim Munir, arrived in Jeddah on Thursday and performed the Umrah pilgrimage in Makkah. They met Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, whose country has been repeatedly struck by Iran, as well as by Tehran's Houthi allies in Yemen and militia in Iraq, since the war began on February 28.

The conflict has also exposed Gulf states' security vulnerabilities and disrupted shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of global oil and liquefied natural gas transited before the war. Their pact follows nearly a year of negotiations, reported by Reuters in January, when Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said Ankara favoured a broader regional security platform to promote cooperation and stability.

This defence pact also follows the "Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement" signed in September 2025 between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. It stated that "any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both", according to a Pakistan-Saudi joint statement at the time.

"Building on the historic partnership extending for nearly eight decades between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and based on the bonds of brotherhood and Islamic solidarity, as well as shared strategic interests and close defense cooperation between the two countries, His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister and His Excellency Mr. Muhammad Shehbaz Sharif, Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan signed the 'Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement'," it read.

It added that the agreement "reflects the shared commitment of both nations to enhance their security and to achieving security and peace in the region and the world, aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression."

The agreement stated that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both."

At the time, the pact was seen as significant as Israel had conducted strikes on Qatar, however a Saudi official told Reuters that the agreement was not meant to respond to any specific event rather reflected the longstanding strategic cooperation between Islamabad and Riyadh.

In practice, Pakistan has sought to avoid becoming militarily entangled in the Iran war, instead opting to try to mediate with Iran.

Pact builds on longstanding military ties

Turkiye and Pakistan, on the borders of the Middle East, are anxious to calm conflicts that threaten their own security and economic health.

For Saudi Arabia, the consequences of three years of widespread Middle East conflicts have been more severe - bringing it under direct fire from three directions, imperilling its oil exports and ⁠ambitious development plans and drawing big questions over the reliability of its longstanding US security umbrella.

Sealing Friday's agreement in Makkah, the holiest site in Islam, will add symbolic heft to a pact that builds on longstanding bilateral military ties among the three countries.

Pakistan has provided training and technical assistance to Saudi forces for decades, while Turkiye and Pakistan have exchanged warships ⁠and training aircraft. In 2023, Riyadh agreed to buy Turkish drones in what Ankara called its largest defence export contract.

Pakistan has since deployed about 8,000 troops, fighter jets, drones and an air-defence system to the kingdom, Reuters reported in May, and has pursued wider Gulf security ties. It has opened negotiations with Kuwait over an expanded pact in exchange for energy cooperation and investment, Reuters reported in July.

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Turkiye, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are expected to sign a joint defence agreement in Makkah

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[Desert]

Glad we didn't join this alliance , maybe the f** sisi is doing one smart thing in his life.
we don't wanna fight for the gulfies nor for the turks.

Turks aren't to be trusted for the Egyptians since they always ally themselves with the enemies of Egypt .

 

[RocketLaw]

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[Eşbah]

Glad we didn't join this alliance , maybe the f** sisi is doing one smart thing in his life.
we don't wanna fight for the gulfies nor for the turks.

Turks aren't to be trusted for the Egyptians since they always ally themselves with the enemies of Egypt .

Egypt and Saudi Arabia aren't truly independent nations. They're basically under the control of the US and the West. This situation is different from Turkey and Pakistan, which, while having ties to the West, still shape their foreign policies from their own capitals. How can we consider ourselves allies with the Saudis or Egyptians when their leaders are openly seen as puppets of foreign powers? The alliance with Saudi Arabia holds no value unless we can benefit from their resources ourselves.

There are only three actual alliances in the Middle East that are worth the paper it's written on:

1. Turkey and Pakistan
2. Iran and its proxies
3. Israel and the US

 

[RocketLaw]

In my perspective - Iran should also join this TSP alliances too, they are also important ally, we need to learn from all of us together.

Not Divide!

 

[White Privilege]

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Indians be scratching their heads in the corner....

 

[Desert]

Egypt and Saudi Arabia aren't truly independent nations. They're basically under the control of the US and the West. This situation is different from Turkey and Pakistan, which, while having ties to the West, still shape their foreign policies from their own capitals. How can we consider ourselves allies with the Saudis or Egyptians when their leaders are openly seen as puppets of foreign powers? The alliance with Saudi Arabia holds no value unless we can benefit from their resources ourselves.

There are only three actual alliances in the Middle East that are worth the paper it's written on:

1. Turkey and Pakistan
2. Iran and its proxies
3. Israel and the US

We aren't the one who is a cannon fodder to the nato (unlike turkey, which is a cannon fodder) , your country even beg to enter the EU and your request is always refused by other European countries ( who are part of Nato).

and your relations with israel is more powerful then Egypt with israel ( you have more military and economical ties).

so don't lecture me about Egypt , you aren't to be trusetd to us , it's history , you even allied with the Russian and the English against Egypt in 1840 when we conquered southern Turkey lol .. you know about Treaty of London signed on July 15, 1840?

 

[Starlord]

Egypt and Saudi Arabia aren't truly independent nations. They're basically under the control of the US and the West. This situation is different from Turkey and Pakistan, which, while having ties to the West, still shape their foreign policies from their own capitals. How can we consider ourselves allies with the Saudis or Egyptians when their leaders are openly seen as puppets of foreign powers? The alliance with Saudi Arabia holds no value unless we can benefit from their resources ourselves.

There are only three actual alliances in the Middle East that are worth the paper it's written on:

1. Turkey and Pakistan
2. Iran and its proxies
3. Israel and the US

I am sure that KSA-Turk-Pak have discussed or will be discussing about the sharing resources, in which Pakistan will be the weakest point as we struggle with that the most, Turkiye have a lot too offer (probably most) as they have access to NATO tech, large Standing army and many criticial projects that will make it a defense independent country, which is needed if these 3 countries will want to come to each other rescue, with Pakistan's addition say bye bye to threat of a nuclear use from the spoiled brat kid of America, and KSA can throw few billions of dollars in some major under-development projects in Turkiye and Pakistan, and they won't even blink.

If you are on this forum for a long time, you would remember people used to make fun of any Alliance that include Pak-Turkiye, or any 2 major Islamic nations... today they signed it, and the fruits of it will come or not only time will tell, but it is indeed a good/positive development.

 

[Master Chief]

Things are happening behind the scenes that we can only guess at

But this will change the future of our region and the Muslim world

It will be a slow process,
It will take time
Their will be set backs
Their will be many enemies

But it is happening

And don't think of this as Pakistan-Turkey-Saudi Arabia


Think about WHO those countries are bringing along

Turkey and the Turkic world
Saudi and the Arab world
Pakistan a nuclear power and it's close relationship with China as bridge




We can't keep going on the same path we have in the recent path, the Muslim world is massive with vital resources, geo strategic position and population

We can create something powerful if we plan accordingly

Well said. It is a long game indeed. Rome wasn't built in a day, nor did it fall in a day.

Agree with others that having Turkiye in any sort of military "pact" (though I don't know the details myself) is an actual game changer.

The Saudis are yet to reveal what their hand will actually be when Pakistan and India come to blows again - one hopes Delhi does not hold more leverage than they deserve to.

But the Turks, from the mighty sultans right down to the common man, are our allies without a doubt.