Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Ali_Baba]

Take a leaf from Syria. It's unofficially the first step toward Greater Israel. Reshaping of the middle east is already under way.

The occupation of South Lebanon, and Syria, the ongoing annexation of the West Bank tell you how much of a threat Israel poses to the middle east. Jordan will soon find out, you can't really make deals with the alligator soon.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Well said, that's why we can only guess the true intentions of this pact.

It is NOT against Iran. IF something were to happen to Iran, then Pakistan and Turkey would be in BIG BIG trouble. In fact this pact will indirectly benefit Iran. The purpose of this pact is to develop the defence capabilities of Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia so that they can all one day become global military powers and NOT be attacked and massacred by genocidal racist colonialists who want to wipe out ALL brown/olive-skinned Muslims from the earth. What is the alternative? The alternative is that our nations and people end up like the Palestinians in Gaza.

Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim countries SHOULD work together in trying to defend ourselves against genocidal racist colonialists. Look at how over 3 million Brown/Olive skinned Muslims have been genocided by racist colonialists since 2001. We HAVE A RIGHT to defend ourselves.

 

[PakAl]

Take a leaf from Syria. It's unofficially the first step toward Greater Israel. Reshaping of the middle east is already under way.

But Bashar Al Assad opposed Israel, he was anti imperialist secular arab nationalist ruler. Who funded and trained the terrorists to remove him from power, the western world governments accept they trained and gave weaponary to the rebels and Saudi/Qatar funded and supported the fighters, Turkey claims they only joined afterwards to protect themselves. Did his removal benefit Israel for their greater Israel project or is the new salafist government anti Israel, pro muslims and will stop greater israel project. I am sure educated people can research who trained and funded the terrorists so they can overtake Syria. This is why some Pakistanis are questioning this defence pact meanwhile others see petrodollars.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan has every right to form alliance/defence treaties with whoever they want but it was Saudia who threatened Pakistan, you will not talk about that since all you see is petrodollars. But some people oppose Pakistanis fighting other people wars and getting back bodies.

Who is this 'whoever'? One former cricketer/playboy 'Khan' who, in his infinite wisdom, decided to form alliance with remote, middling countries at the expense of decades old proven alliances?
And, yes, the Petrodollars are very important for a nation like Pakistan. I don't want to show Pakistan's dirty laundry to the world anymore than this forum already shows. I see no leader out there who can wash, dry, and iron that dirty laundry so I will take what's the best available, if you get my drift.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

True. Geopolitics is a complex science but Israel is indeed behind the fall of Syria and Jolani/ Al Shara.

Zion trusted Assad more... which is why any military assets that could be used to target it were immediately targeted and blown to bits. Zion wants a weak and fragmented Syria. Zionists as far back as first world war wanted a buffer between a projected zionist state and Turkiye. The only legitimate power they knew could undo their project. Golani instead has his hands tied from all sides...

 

[PakAl]

True. Geopolitics is a complex science but Israel is indeed behind the fall of Syria and Jolani/ Al Shara.

Not just Israel but Usa, EU, Saudi/Qatar. The same nations who caused civil wars in Libya, Yemen and other places by supporting terrorists and extremism.

 

[Pakistan First]

PAF re-fuel's over Iraq and then drop munitions on Israel ? low flying cruise missiles, ABM's ??? what magical thinking is this ? Pakistan does not have these capabilities.

OMG you really don't keep yourself updated with military knowledge? These are decades old capabilities of PAF. I have not even touched newer ones. These are literally decades old capabilities.




600+ KM range Low altitude, Air launched cruise missiles. RAAD and Taimur missiles. I have old pictures, newer variants already in service.



2 CM400s on this JF-17 below. Air launched Ballistic missiles. These are Mach 4+






Israel is comfortably in range. Fact is PAF would be flying over Iranian and Iraqi airspace (friendly airspace). If Israel has to attack Pakistan it will be twice more challenging as they will be flying over enemy airspace.

Secondly, if the PACT is in place then PAF and Pakistan army rocket force command can easily use Saudi territory and Turkish territory to unleash hell over Israel.

Lastly, I am not saying that we are just going to do that. I only answered your query that as far as capabilities are concerned those are in place. You can suspect the will and intentions if you may.

 

[030292]

This is the most likely scenario.
What about if India attack Pakistan ?

Turkiye and S.Arabia will fight for Pakistan

We have been defending ourselves against india for the past 79 years and we will continue to do so on our own.

I personally dont have any issue with the countries of turkiye and saudi arabia and wish them all the best, but this is a serious commitment our current leadership is making on behalf of 250 million pakistanis without even consulting us.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

That's your opinion. Iran has no problem with Turkey and Pakistan. Any attack against Iran by a third country while Iran and Saudi have clashes or war means that the third party enters a war of choice against Iran.

Not happening. We the people of Pakistan love our Iranian brothers and sisters. Rather than quarrel amongst ourselves, there is a problem that is 1000000x worst. It is a genocidal racist colonialist regime that wants to EXTERMINATE ALL brown/olive-skinned Muslims on the planet. So far they are succeeding in doing just that to the Palestinians in Gaza. But they will NOT STOP there. Pakistan, Turkiye, Saudi Arabia and Iran NEED to focus on this threat BEFORE it is TOO LATE!!!!!!!!.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turks have given a chance to Syria to rebuild its country, at current stage they can't take on Israel to take back Golan heights, and given Jolani is former Terrorists he has to navigate very carefully, but it would be wise for Syria to play all sides and keep a low profile to build it stregth back with help of some Western countries and Turkiye.

Many a freedom fighter was termed a terrorist.....

 

[the vicious kind]

Saudi bailout of Pakistan is to take advantage of the misrule and corruption in the country and to force it to obey the Saudi agenda. It is not done out of love and concern for Pakistani people.

Yes we are obeying Saudi Agenda.. remind me ..how many of our divisions are near Sanaa ? how many near Tehran? All you do is spew uninformed conjecture and cerebral diarrhoea across this forum.

 

[Sinan]

NETANYAHU also attacked Qatar and they threatened Pakistan too.

The Greater Israel project threatens the territorial integrity of many Arab Countries including S.Arabia , Iraq , Syria , Egypt , Lebanon , Jordan , Kuwait


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You give too much importance to Israel. They are 9 million country with no industry to match Turkey. They either win "military victories" against civilians or against failed states (Lebanon, Syria). Without US backing they are nothing.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

PAF re-fuel's over Iraq and then drop munitions on Israel ? low flying cruise missiles, ABM's ??? what magical thinking is this ? Pakistan does not have these capabilities.

If it doesn't then it should develop those capabilities so they have them in the future. The pact with Turkiye and Saudi Arabia will help facilitate and fund this.

 

[PakAl]

Zion trusted Assad more... which is why any military assets that could be used to target it were immediately targeted and blown to bits. Zion wants a weak and fragmented Syria. Zionists as far back as first world war wanted a buffer between a projected zionist state and Turkiye. The only legitimate power they knew could undo their project. Golani instead has his hands tied from all sides...

Not correct. Bashar Al Assad government was secular arab nationalist government, their allies were Iran and Russia, not Israel or the Usa, by removing Al Assad they cut the link between Syria and Hizbollah, remember Syria had 30,000+ troops in Lebanon to protect them from Israel attacks but due to media propaganda and Lebanese falling for it, Syria had to withdraw from Lebanon and within a few years Israel bombed Lebanon and killed 1000s. But Israel still had to finish off Bashar government to completely dominate the region and Netanyahu mentioned Israel has become stronger in the region. The new Syrian government is now being lobbyed by all powers to make a break threw, its still new project so will find out where Syria stands in a few decades time, most likely it will be the next Iraq, a puppet nation of regional players.

 

[Meengla]

Nobody said Pakistan is planning to launch some heroic expedition to Tel Aviv to “save the Saudis.” The entire point of a defence pact is deterrence: making any adversary calculate the wider consequences before escalating. That applies whether the threat comes from Israel, Iran, India or anyone else.

Israel will dare not launch a Qatar-like attack on Saudi Arabia with Pakistani military present there being funded by the Saudi money AND with the Chinese technology and intelligence behind Pakistan. The Pakistani foothold in the Middle East is only going to increase in quantity and quality. Such a move comes with great perils but also with great rewards. And it is not like Pakistan can avoid this entanglement: Geography dictates it.

BTW, Indians should hang Modi by a pole and Israeli should do the same to Netanyahu for their arrogant blunders: Modi attacking Pakistan in May 2025 and Netanyahu attacking Qatar last year.