Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

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[the vicious kind]

Very bad, very stupid, very ignorant and very, very, very retarded Turkish strategy.

Pakistan was India's target last year.
Saudi Arabia is Iran's target this year.

Turkey is nobodies target, but they wanna play war? With their shitty economy?

What were they thinking when they sign this? Was this on Trump's orders to pledge the F35 deal in return?

Türkiye is absolutely within Israel’s strategic threat calculus. You only need to listen to the increasingly hostile rhetoric and warnings coming from Netanyahu and other Israeli political leaders. And if there is one state in the region that has repeatedly shown a willingness to act on its threats, it is Israel.

 

[mulj]

Long due for such agreement but without transparent clarification about Iran and their war against zio crusaders i will keep my doubts about proper nature of this pact

 

[Ali_Baba]

Very bad, very stupid, very ignorant and very, very, very retarded Turkish strategy.

Pakistan was India's target last year.
Saudi Arabia is Iran's target this year.

Türkiye is Israel's' target next.

 

[Hazard]

OMG you really don't keep yourself updated with military knowledge? These are decades old capabilities of PAF. I have not even touched newer ones. These are literally decades old capabilities.

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600+ KM range Low altitude, Air launched cruise missiles. RAAD and Taimur missiles. I have old pictures, newer variants already in service.

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2 CM400s on this JF-17 below. Air launched Ballistic missiles. These are Mach 4+

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Israel is comfortably in range. Fact is PAF would be flying over Iranian and Iraqi airspace (friendly airspace). If Israel has to attack Pakistan it will be twice more challenging as they will be flying over enemy airspace.

Secondly, if the PACT is in place then PAF and Pakistan army rocket force command can easily use Saudi territory and Turkish territory to unleash hell over Israel.

Lastly, I am not saying that we are just going to do that. I only answered your query that as far as capabilities are concerned those are in place. You can suspect the will and intentions if you may.

Sadly you're wrong brother. You consider Iraqi airspace to be 'friendly' for Pakistan? That's Israel's backyard literally, backed up by the Americans.

Only Iranian airspace can be considered safe for PAF. And, if (big if) hostilities break out between Pak and Israel, battles would likely be fought closer to Pakistan than the other way round. Pakistani missiles capabilities are questionable to be honest, especially since that traitor general sold out all the info for mere few $$s. He was hanged eventually but caused lasting damage.

I love Pakistan as much as any other Pakistani out there but let's be realistic here.

On a side note, it is my opinion that Pak should somehow extract the knowhow from our Iranian brothers' missile capabilities. That's what you call battle tested and proven stuff. I hope behind the scenes our Generals are on it (if they're not too busy building DHAs).

 

[Watandar]

Learn your country's history, Pakistan conducted cold test at Kirana.. years before the planned attack. We were already a Nuclear threeshold state back then.

That is not the same as having a nuke ready to drop on India and Israel, as you claimed. It is why Israel was seeking to hit Kahuta before further progress was made.

Can Pakistan guarantee it would defeat every Israeli air, missile and drone attack? Of course not. Can Israel guarantee it could suppress a sizeable, networked air forces, air defences, dispersed aircraft, missiles and retaliatory capability without taking serious unsustainable losses itself? Also no. We have already seen IAFs limititions in Iran theatre ... that too against an adversary that practically has no airforce.

This networked air force, dispersed aircraft, buzzword filled operation by Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan against Israel exists only in your imagination. None of these countries can mount any such attack on Israel at the present, nor 5 years from now.

You brought up Israeli air force attacks on Iran, so can Saudi or Turkey or Pakistan air defense stop those ALBM's ? No.

I could go even further and comparethe failed Israeli bunker buster strikes against Iranian facilities built into soft limestone mountains with Pakistani underground facilities constructed in much denser quartz rich rock. But I would rather not get into those details, and frankly, you do not seem to have the military understanding to appreciate the distinction anyway.

No please go ahead and tell us about these Pakistani secret facilities which no-one has ever heard of before. You have a vivid imagination.

Can they stop every Israeli cyberattack? No. Can Israel stop every Pakistani cyber operation? No. Cyber warfare does not come with a magical 100 percent interception button and mind you on the morning of 10 may the entire northen indian electriciy grid was offline.

This is laughable . Israelis were able to penetrate Iranian facilities with a virus delivered by an agent, which destroyed Iranian centrifuges while at the same time misleading the Iranian control room. Israeli psy ops and propaganda are at a level that makes Pakistan or Turkey look like children. There was no Indian electricity grid knocked offline on May 10th, if that had actually happened you would have crowed about it 1 million times, like the Rafales.

Can they detect and foil every Mossad operation? No. Neither can Mossad detect and foil every hostile intelligence operation against Israel. Intelligence services are capable, not omniscient.

You say this in a country that has suffered from terrorism and insurgency for 30 years straight ? Pakistan cannot defeat foreign sponsored terrorists in its own land, how is it going to tackle Mossad in the Mid east ? Or do you believe in the fiction that ISI is "best intelligence agency in the world".

At least the Turks have been able to handle their domestic terrorism problem.

Coming to your last point..
Deterrence does not mean you have to be stronger than Israel. It simply means you have enough capability to hurt them badly enough that attacking you carries serious consequences. Saying we have “Little to no capability” is completely ridiculous.

During this year’s war, Israel is reported to have an interception rate of around 86 percent against Iranian ballistic missiles. This interception rate fell to 65 percent in the last week . Now apply basic nuclear deterrence logic. When even a small possibility exists that a nuclear armed missile could penetrate those defences, the consequences of getting the calculation wrong become catastrophic. That uncertainty is precisely what deterrence is built upon.

You have little to no conventional capability to take on Israel. Neither offensive nor defensive. Everything you possess, be it planes or missile or drones or satellite or AD, the Israelis have a more advanced version alongwith many more toys.

You don't have thousands of ballistic missiles or drones like Iran either, so you cannot even replicate what the Iranians were able to achieve against Israel.

As far as your hints about Nuclear-tipped missiles and its threat to Israel, I don't think such nonsense is even worth debating.

Your lack of even a basic understanding of deterrence really shows, and most of your posts amount to little more than ill informed conjecture clouded by your own bias. This Imran Khan messiah complex has become a serious political affliction in Pakistan, where every issue somehow gets filtered through blind loyalty rather than facts or strategic reasoning.

My problem is Pakistan signing up to fight for rich foreigners and ignoring its own political, social and economic development. It's what has ruined the country. Your crazed obsession with Mr Imran Khan is your problem.

 

[Khanviletey]

Congratulations to All Pakistani , Turkish and Saudi People!

India remember try Sindoor and find out what Saudi F-15s , eurofighter, Paksitani J-10 and JF-17 and Turkish F-16s and later on KAAN from the 3 airforces will do to you

Pakistan zindabad

Surah Āl ʿImrān (3:54)


“And they planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the Best of Planners.”


Arabic:
وَمَكَرُوا۟ وَمَكَرَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَيْرُ ٱلْمَـٰكِرِينَ


In my haste to reply I forgot to acknowledge that no weapon, money or precived power gives us victory.

It is only Allah that decides Victory and gives honor and dignity.

I pray to Allah and beg him to gives us victory in his name and give us honor and diginity as we struggle to achieve his hapiness.

KV

 

[MMM-E]

Türkiye is Israel's' target next.

A jackal can not target a LION

therefore Israel,India,Greece vs TURKIYE

 

[hasssanali8998]

No please go ahead and tell us about these Pakistani secret facilities which no-one has ever heard of before. You have a vivid imagination.

nope u can see these facilities from sat images
and yes on average pakistani mountains are harder than irani ones

and suprisingly there has been an uptick in the number of new facilities being made.

As far as your hints about Nuclear-tipped missiles and its threat to Israel, I don't think such nonsense is even worth debating.

sure lets just ignore our best weapons

 

[the vicious kind]

Saudi bailout of Pakistan is to take advantage of the misrule and corruption in the country and to force it to obey the Saudi agenda. It is not done out of love and concern for Pakistani people.

Brilliant!
This forum has more quality than most of the analysts out there earing $$$ for their pearls of wisdom.
To your post, I'd add this: The Americans rightly see China as the Soviet Union and have been trying to get away from the Middle East quagmires, starting with the Oslo Accord of the 90s. The Oslo Accord were signed under a Democratic Bill Clinton. The 'Pivot' to 'Indo Pacific' was signed under a Democratic Obama. Also, the JCPOA with Iran was also signed by a Democratic Obama. Looking at all the events over the decades, I have come to believe that the irrationality in American policies in the Middle East is driven by the Zealots who dominate the Republican Party with Trump as the most obvious manifestation of that.
But irrational behavior yields to bad results. And thus I see America eventually getting out of the Middle East, as it should. The latest alignment of countries, as the topic of this thread, is a clear manifestation of the emerging geopolitics. This change is irreversible short of an irrational American POTUS nuking large swathes of land in and around the Middle East.

Thanks for your love
If you actually go through the Pentagon’s 2026 National Defense Strategy. Washington says it will prioritize homeland defence and deterring China, while expecting allies in Europe and the Middle East to assume greater responsibility for regional threats, including Iran. Despite all the turmoil in the Middle East, the Indo Pacific and China remain central to long term U.S. defence planning.

Seen from that perspective, Israel has every incentive to prevent the Middle East from becoming a secondary theatre in Washington’s calculations. The regional wars since 2023 have already forced the U.S. to commit aircraft, missile defence systems, interceptors and other military resources back into the region.

You can therefore make the argument that Israeli policy increasingly pushes against the Pentagon’s desire for a lighter American footprint by keeping Washington directly invested in Middle Eastern security. The 2027 defence legislation proposes further expansion of cooperation with Israel. Israeli lobbying in Congress appears to be at an extremely intense level, at times bordering on desperation.

However, Pivot to Asia has not disappeared. J.D vance seems to be much more commited to it than Donald Trump. Who to be honest has made a mess of things.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak intelligence is busy beating its own people and snatching elections. Doubt they had anything to do with Syria.

Internal politics, elections etc. are the breeding ground of treachery and dissection, under the supervision and guidance of the external forces, in Muslim countries. Prime example: the opening of parliament via elections (under the pressure from the European powers) in the Ottoman Empire for it played a vital role in its collapse. And, the 1970 election in Pakistan that gave rise to Mujib, the principal Bharati and USSR agent....

The Pak Deep State does want an absolute grip over all internal matters for a reason. Hence, they put everyone - from a priest to prostitute, and president to peon - under its command. Any second thought, and he/she is dead. And, I'm 100% with it for the slightest Merhamet here means your own destruction....

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[falcon34]

This pact is NOT against Iran. This pact is for Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia to help protect our peoples from genocidal racist colonialists who want to genocide our nations. We have a RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES. These countries have realized that if they are not careful, our people could end up like the Palestinians in Gaza. If Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia can protect themselves from genocidal racist colonialists then Iran will also be protected Inshallah.

Only Pakistani have genocidal maniacs in the form of hindutva as enemies, Saudis and Turks are fine, we are the ones carrying a dead weight

 

[Sinan]

Dou you think Israel will be alone ?

Greece and India will be with Israel in the Eastern Mediterranean
India creates a massive Navy with over 200 Warships and Submarines by 2035

also , Israel will develop stealth Fighter Jets ( manned and unmanned ) in the next 10 years .. India will join Israeli project

both Turkiye and Pakistan sees this threat

I don't think any of them have guts to go war against Turks.

Since when do we afraid of fighting ?? If they want to come, let them come.


As long as we have vast sky above our head and firm ground beneath our feet, no one can defeat us in our homeland. Since 2500 years no one has achieved that feat.

As Hakan Fİdan said,

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If Israel wants to fight, it's fine by us. Fighting is what we do.

 

[Meengla]

Learn your country's history, Pakistan conducted cold tests at Kirana.. years before the planned attack. We were already a Nuclear threeshold state back then.

Can Pakistan guarantee it would defeat every Israeli air, missile and drone attack? Of course not. Can Israel guarantee it could suppress a sizeable, networked air forces, air defences, dispersed aircraft, missiles and retaliatory capability without taking serious unsustainable losses itself? Also no. We have already seen IAFs limititions in Iran theatre ... that too against an adversary that practically has no airforce.

I could go even further and comparethe failed Israeli bunker buster strikes against Iranian facilities built into soft limestone mountains compared with Pakistani underground facilities constructed in much denser quartz rich rock. But I would rather not get into those details, and frankly, you do not seem to have the military understanding to appreciate the distinction anyway.

Can they stop every Israeli cyberattack? No. Can Israel stop every Pakistani cyber operation? No. Cyber warfare does not come with a magical 100 percent interception button and mind you on the morning of 10 may the entire northen indian electriciy grid was offline.

Can they detect and foil every Mossad operation? No. Neither can Mossad detect and foil every hostile intelligence operation against Israel. Intelligence services are capable, not omniscient.

Coming to your last point..
Deterrence does not mean you have to be stronger than Israel. It simply means you have enough capability to hurt them badly enough that attacking you carries serious consequences. Saying we have “Little to no capability” is completely ridiculous.

During this year’s war, Israel is reported to have an interception rate of around 86 percent against Iranian ballistic missiles. This interception rate fell to 65 percent in the last week . Now apply basic nuclear deterrence logic. When even a small possibility exists that a nuclear armed missile could penetrate those defences, the consequences of getting the calculation wrong become catastrophic. That uncertainty is precisely what deterrence is built upon.

Your lack of even a basic understanding of deterrence really shows, and most of your posts amount to little more than ill informed conjecture clouded by your own bias. This Imran Khan messiah complex has become a serious political affliction in Pakistan, where every issue somehow gets filtered through blind loyalty rather than facts or strategic reasoning.

Another gem of a post!
Indeed, if a Hezbollah managed to shut down 1/3rd of Israel in its north and currently the Israeli north is still virtually shut down by a greatly depleted Hezbollah then imagine what can a financially buttressed Pakistan can do to Israel while Turkey is breathing down Israel's neck from Syria?
Israel is finally facing the three most potent Muslim powers: Iran, Pakistan and Turkey.

 

[030292]

America would never allow in a million years such a defensive bloc being formed within the AOR of CENTCOM if the bloc was targeted at israel.