Monitoring: internal ethnic tensions & ethno-politics

[KingQamaR]

Popular Pashtun ethno-nationalist politician from Quetta, Mehmood Achakzai, says that every Pashtun should hold an Afghan national identity card, he says the barbied wire at the Durrand line was installed at the behest of America's orders.

In the larger speech he also says Pakistan is not the country of Pashtuns but Loy Afghanistan is their ancestral land of noble people, and warns Pakistan to not interfere in their matters.

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This guy Mehmood Achakzai is not only gaslighting the Pakistani state but encouraging violence against it bloke needs locking up. I just find it funny this clown and others think PTM, ANP & Taliban will solve solve what ever they are promising, it’s laughable, lol

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Not much can be done politically in a strong, hard way by an illegitimate leadership which was planted by foreign powers and influences.

The problem is that the Pakistani political strata is immune to the problems in the life of an average Pakistani, so their politics will also not reflect the needs either. They all live abroad when not in power, and treat Pakistan as an ATM machine. The bureaucracy is busy making $$ from land mafias and the natural resources are being wasted on a daily basis.


Just look at the Pakistani rivers. Most of them, especially the River Indus, just falls into the ocean and not much of it is used, all the while everyone is complaining about lack of water. They literally have rivers of fresh water being wasted and falling into the ocean every day!!

Do they not realize how many water pipelines they can build out of just one river to supply the whol country with fresh water?

The thieves and the stupidest, the most corrupt are in power in Pakistan. Imagine in a land of many rivers people complaining about lack of water!

Then there was that incident of one stupid so called "wadera" bringing a few alligators into a sweet water lake for leather for his personal shoes! That mthrfkr ruined an entire ecosystem for cheap leather for his shoes!!! Now imagine every one else in the Pakistani bureaucracy being more corrupt, greedy, and and more incompetenent than him.

Well I disagree on the first part, it was an internal struggle of power which resulted in PTI faction losing, the government if makes it a priority can get things done but again state views things differrently, its filled with pacifict uncles who just want to negotiate and concede to every instability source's demand. Long term this is dangerous, we need an assertive state that can stand its ground, and actually create a stable nation that isnt always held hostage by blackmail groups at any moment

Though agree with the rest, unfortunately being extremely incompetent with extremely low professional/intellectual standards is part of our general culture no matter who it is

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

"We have no quarrel with our Baloch brothers. We know very well which areas are British Balochistan, which are the Brahui Confederacy, and which is genuine/core Balochistan. While creating divisions and districts, we should not try to encroach on each other’s territories. If there is demographic change and such things, it will turn into the story of Palestine and Israel."

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Pakistan's most popular journalist says Punjabi extremist terrorists are responsible for undermining the constitution, i guess in matters related to Kashmir?

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@Distant_Observer @hussain0216 @Starlord @arjunk

No, unlike Yugoslavia bordering culturally friendly europeans there is a very real and valid threat of a hinduvita India ready to place all Muslim communities of the subcontinent under their boots.

The nuclear umbrella as part of a federation is a necessity of survival. If Pakistan had not gone nuclear then anything becomes possible.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

No, unlike Yugoslavia bordering culturally friendly europeans there is a very real and valid threat of a hinduvita India ready to place all Muslim communities of the subcontinent under their boots.

The nuclear umbrella as part of a federation is a necessity of survival. If Pakistan had not gone nuclear then anything becomes possible.

Not sure how you turned this into a nuclear discussion I agree nukes are mandatory not up for debate, its about domestic polarisation and identity

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

This is the type of bullshit harami propaganda we are stuck with

When you ask why is it so difficult to deal with the TTP or Afghanistan, the above is your answer

Scum, treacherous, harami behavior PTM, ANP, PTI it's all the same

Pakistan has sedition laws, but nothing ever happens


GHQ goes as soft as possible, tries to allow IBOs and police to deal with the terrorists because it knows that if it goes full battle mode against Afghanistan and TTP, these haramis in the ANP, PTM will jump around like monkey's


Get this motherfcuker dead or in jail

Language ???

When someone like Mehmood Achakzai stands up and tells Pashtuns to carry Afghan ID cards, or claims that the Durand Line fencing was done on America’s orders, it exposes the real problem we’re dealing with, not just TTP, not just Afghanistan, but a whole political mindset that refuses to accept Pakistan as a legitimate state for Pashtuns.

This isn’t harmless rhetoric.
It shapes attitudes.
It influences young people.
And it creates space for groups like the TTP to justify their violence.

Achakzai’s larger message that Pashtuns belong to “Loy Afghanistan” and that Pakistan should not interfere is not just historically inaccurate, it’s politically reckless. Millions of Pashtuns have lived, worked, and built their lives in Pakistan for generations. Their identity is not borrowed, temporary, or conditional. It is rooted here.

But instead of strengthening unity, leaders like him push a narrative that Pashtuns are outsiders in their own country. That is the real danger.

And yes, this is why dealing with TTP and Afghanistan becomes so complicated. When mainstream political figures echo the same talking points extremists use, it blurs the line between political speech and ideological sabotage.

But here’s the thing:
Responding with rage, abuse, or calls for violence is not the answer. That only strengthens their narrative and weakens ours.

Pakistan has laws.
Pakistan has institutions.
Pakistan has the ability to hold people accountable but it must do so through the rule of law, not emotional outbursts.

If someone is spreading sedition, charge them.
If someone is undermining national security, prosecute them.
If someone is playing with ethnic fire, confront them politically and legally, not with threats.

The state cannot afford softness, but it also cannot afford lawlessness. The answer is firmness with discipline, not chaos.

Because the real strength of a nation is not in how loudly it shouts, but in how confidently it stands.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

If you plant the seed of an apple tree, you can’t stand over it later and complain that corn didn’t grow. Life doesn’t work that way, and neither do nations. What Pakistan has planted in Balochistan over the last seventy‑plus years is exactly what we’re seeing today. Nothing about this outcome is surprising.

Imagine if, from the beginning, Pakistan had built real cities in Balochistan, cities with functioning local governments, schools that actually opened doors for children, industries that created jobs, and budgets that stayed in the province instead of being siphoned away. Imagine if the wealth taken from Balochistan had been reinvested into the people who live there. The story would have been completely different.

But that’s not what happened.

For decades, the state chose the easiest shortcut: rely on sardars, buy their loyalty, and call it “governance.” Development never reached the ordinary Baloch family. Roads weren’t built. Hospitals stayed empty. Industries never took root. And when a province watches its resources leave while its own people remain stuck in the same cycle of poverty, resentment doesn’t just appear, it grows slowly, like a wound that never heals.

The truth is uncomfortable but simple. Balochistan wasn’t neglected by accident. It was neglected by design.

Ironically, the most visible development in the region over the last few decades, especially in Gwadar…didn’t come because Pakistan suddenly woke up. It came because China had strategic interests there. Without that external push, much of Balochistan would still be the same barren, forgotten landscape it was generations ago.

You cannot ignore a people for decades and then expect harmony.
You cannot extract without giving back and then expect loyalty.
You cannot plant neglect and hope for unity to grow.

Balochistan didn’t fail Pakistan.
Pakistan failed Balochistan and now the consequences are standing right in front of us.

 

[hussain0216]

Language ???

When someone like Mehmood Achakzai stands up and tells Pashtuns to carry Afghan ID cards, or claims that the Durand Line fencing was done on America’s orders, it exposes the real problem we’re dealing with, not just TTP, not just Afghanistan, but a whole political mindset that refuses to accept Pakistan as a legitimate state for Pashtuns.

This isn’t harmless rhetoric.
It shapes attitudes.
It influences young people.
And it creates space for groups like the TTP to justify their violence.

Achakzai’s larger message that Pashtuns belong to “Loy Afghanistan” and that Pakistan should not interfere is not just historically inaccurate, it’s politically reckless. Millions of Pashtuns have lived, worked, and built their lives in Pakistan for generations. Their identity is not borrowed, temporary, or conditional. It is rooted here.

But instead of strengthening unity, leaders like him push a narrative that Pashtuns are outsiders in their own country. That is the real danger.

And yes, this is why dealing with TTP and Afghanistan becomes so complicated. When mainstream political figures echo the same talking points extremists use, it blurs the line between political speech and ideological sabotage.

But here’s the thing:
Responding with rage, abuse, or calls for violence is not the answer. That only strengthens their narrative and weakens ours.

Pakistan has laws.
Pakistan has institutions.
Pakistan has the ability to hold people accountable but it must do so through the rule of law, not emotional outbursts.

If someone is spreading sedition, charge them.
If someone is undermining national security, prosecute them.
If someone is playing with ethnic fire, confront them politically and legally, not with threats.

The state cannot afford softness, but it also cannot afford lawlessness. The answer is firmness with discipline, not chaos.

Because the real strength of a nation is not in how loudly it shouts, but in how confidently it stands.

And I agree with you

It's two sides of the same coin both in KP and Balochistan

We have the violence from TTP/BLA etc
And then we have the political rhetoric and propaganda from ANP, PTM, PTI, BLY etc

So the rhetoric is the hushed propaganda that feeds TTP and Pakistans enemies

It's why the youth keep joining these groups when their own parents feed them this propaganda


It doesn't help our people are thick, any lannats that talks like this is given a thousand excuses rather then charged under sedition laws

 

[Distant_Observer]

Language ???

When someone like Mehmood Achakzai stands up and tells Pashtuns to carry Afghan ID cards, or claims that the Durand Line fencing was done on America’s orders, it exposes the real problem we’re dealing with, not just TTP, not just Afghanistan, but a whole political mindset that refuses to accept Pakistan as a legitimate state for Pashtuns.

This isn’t harmless rhetoric.
It shapes attitudes.
It influences young people.
And it creates space for groups like the TTP to justify their violence.

Achakzai’s larger message that Pashtuns belong to “Loy Afghanistan” and that Pakistan should not interfere is not just historically inaccurate, it’s politically reckless. Millions of Pashtuns have lived, worked, and built their lives in Pakistan for generations. Their identity is not borrowed, temporary, or conditional. It is rooted here.

But instead of strengthening unity, leaders like him push a narrative that Pashtuns are outsiders in their own country. That is the real danger.

And yes, this is why dealing with TTP and Afghanistan becomes so complicated. When mainstream political figures echo the same talking points extremists use, it blurs the line between political speech and ideological sabotage.

But here’s the thing:
Responding with rage, abuse, or calls for violence is not the answer. That only strengthens their narrative and weakens ours.

Pakistan has laws.
Pakistan has institutions.
Pakistan has the ability to hold people accountable but it must do so through the rule of law, not emotional outbursts.

If someone is spreading sedition, charge them.
If someone is undermining national security, prosecute them.
If someone is playing with ethnic fire, confront them politically and legally, not with threats.

The state cannot afford softness, but it also cannot afford lawlessness. The answer is firmness with discipline, not chaos.

Because the real strength of a nation is not in how loudly it shouts, but in how confidently it stands.

It is the language of settlers.

Pakistan's western frontiers are full of Afghans larping as Pakistanis.

This is why we will completely eradicate the concept of afghaniat in all its forms and Pakistaniyat will be the only ideology that will exist.

First we must denaturalize and deport all these fake Pakistanis of which there are atleast 20 million.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

It is the language of settlers.

Pakistan's western frontiers are full of Afghans larping as Pakistanis.

This is why we will completely eradicate the concept of afghaniat in all its forms and Pakistaniyat will be the only ideology that will exist.

First we must denaturalize and deport all these fake Pakistanis of which there are atleast 20 million.

When someone says “we will eradicate Afghaniat” or “deport 20 million people,” it shows a deep misunderstanding of how nations actually hold together. No country in the world has ever created unity by threatening its own population or by trying to erase identities. History is full of examples proving that force creates rebellion, not loyalty.

Pakistan failed to integrate Bengalis and we paid the price

Bengalis were not outsiders.
They were not “settlers.”
They were not temporary guests.

They were the majority of Pakistan at independence.

But instead of giving them:

• political power
• cultural respect
• economic equality
• and a sense of belonging

the state treated them with suspicion and tried to rule them through force.
The result was not unity, it was separation.

You cannot win hearts by denying people dignity.

And we are repeating the same mistake with Afghans and Pashtuns

Millions of Afghans and Pashtuns have lived in Pakistan for decades.
They work here, study here, marry here, and raise their children here.
But instead of integrating them, the state has kept them in a permanent state of uncertainty.

You cannot build loyalty by treating people like they don’t belong.

The forgotten Bengalis of Karachi 400,000 to 800,000 people

Karachi is home to hundreds of thousands of Bengalis, estimates range from 400,000 to 800,000.
Many of them have lived in Pakistan for three generations.

And yet:

• they are not issued ID cards
• they are not given equal opportunities
• they are not integrated into the economy
• they are treated as invisible citizens

This is not their failure.
This is the failure of both the federal government and the Sindh government.

A state that cannot integrate its own long‑term residents cannot expect loyalty or stability.

The world has already proven this truth

Countries that try to erase identities or rule through force always face backlash:

• Sri Lanka tried to crush Tamil identity. It didn’t create unity, it created a 30‑year civil war.
• Iraq tried to erase Kurdish identity. It didn’t create loyalty, it created permanent distrust.
• Spain tried to suppress Catalan culture under Franco. It didn’t erase Catalan identity, it made it stronger.
• China tried to assimilate Tibetans and Uyghurs through force. It didn’t create harmony, it created deeper alienation.
• The Soviet Union tried to force a single identity on dozens of nations. It didn’t build unity, it collapsed.

Every one of these examples teaches the same lesson.
Hearts cannot be won with bullets, threats, or mass expulsions.

They can only be won through:

• giving people ID cards
• giving them economic opportunity and jobs
• giving them dignity
• giving them a stake in the country and a sense of belonging
• giving them a future worth believing in

If Pakistan wants stability on its western frontier, it won’t come from denaturalizing people or declaring millions “fake Pakistanis.” It will come from giving people a reason to believe in the state, not fear it.

Pashtuns, Afghans, and Pakistanis share deep cultural, historical, and family ties. Trying to erase that with slogans or force is not just unrealistic, it is dangerous. The world has already seen what happens when a state tries to define “true citizens” and “fake citizens.” It never ends well.

If Pakistan wants unity, it must build it.
And unity is built through rights, not repression. Through development, not deportation. Through respect, not erasure.

That is how nations survive.
That is how nations heal.
And that is how you win hearts, not through fear, but through fairness.

 

[hussain0216]

When someone says “we will eradicate Afghaniat” or “deport 20 million people,” it shows a deep misunderstanding of how nations actually hold together. No country in the world has ever created unity by threatening its own population or by trying to erase identities. History is full of examples proving that force creates rebellion, not loyalty.

Pakistan failed to integrate Bengalis and we paid the price

Bengalis were not outsiders.
They were not “settlers.”
They were not temporary guests.

They were the majority of Pakistan at independence.

But instead of giving them:

• political power
• cultural respect
• economic equality
• and a sense of belonging

the state treated them with suspicion and tried to rule them through force.
The result was not unity, it was separation.

You cannot win hearts by denying people dignity.

And we are repeating the same mistake with Afghans and Pashtuns

Millions of Afghans and Pashtuns have lived in Pakistan for decades.
They work here, study here, marry here, and raise their children here.
But instead of integrating them, the state has kept them in a permanent state of uncertainty.

You cannot build loyalty by treating people like they don’t belong.

The forgotten Bengalis of Karachi 400,000 to 800,000 people

Karachi is home to hundreds of thousands of Bengalis, estimates range from 400,000 to 800,000.
Many of them have lived in Pakistan for three generations.

And yet:

• they are not issued ID cards
• they are not given equal opportunities
• they are not integrated into the economy
• they are treated as invisible citizens

This is not their failure.
This is the failure of both the federal government and the Sindh government.

A state that cannot integrate its own long‑term residents cannot expect loyalty or stability.

The world has already proven this truth

Countries that try to erase identities or rule through force always face backlash:

• Sri Lanka tried to crush Tamil identity. It didn’t create unity, it created a 30‑year civil war.
• Iraq tried to erase Kurdish identity. It didn’t create loyalty, it created permanent distrust.
• Spain tried to suppress Catalan culture under Franco. It didn’t erase Catalan identity, it made it stronger.
• China tried to assimilate Tibetans and Uyghurs through force. It didn’t create harmony, it created deeper alienation.
• The Soviet Union tried to force a single identity on dozens of nations. It didn’t build unity, it collapsed.

Every one of these examples teaches the same lesson.
Hearts cannot be won with bullets, threats, or mass expulsions.

They can only be won through:

• giving people ID cards
• giving them economic opportunity and jobs
• giving them dignity
• giving them a stake in the country and a sense of belonging
• giving them a future worth believing in

If Pakistan wants stability on its western frontier, it won’t come from denaturalizing people or declaring millions “fake Pakistanis.” It will come from giving people a reason to believe in the state, not fear it.

Pashtuns, Afghans, and Pakistanis share deep cultural, historical, and family ties. Trying to erase that with slogans or force is not just unrealistic, it is dangerous. The world has already seen what happens when a state tries to define “true citizens” and “fake citizens.” It never ends well.

If Pakistan wants unity, it must build it.
And unity is built through rights, not repression. Through development, not deportation. Through respect, not erasure.

That is how nations survive.
That is how nations heal.
And that is how you win hearts, not through fear, but through fairness.

Their is no time for endless bullshit

Bangladesh was 1000km away

Nations have laws, their are sedition laws, trechery laws

You can be free, you can have freedom of speech, but you cannot be a traitor, especially when it harms our national interests and integrity


These scum bags are the reason for terrorism
They are the fuel that fans the flames


You can only integrate people who want to be integrated, not lannats who are waiting and biding their time waiting to strike when you show signs of weakness

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

I still remember writing a detailed post almost fifteen years ago about how Pakistan could have integrated Bengali and Afghani communities instead of leaving them in limbo. I laid out everything, the social impact, the economic benefits, the long‑term stability it would create. And honestly, the plan was simple: treat people like human beings, give them dignity, and give them a stake in the country.

Bengalis and Afghans should have been issued ID cards based on where they actually lived, their domicile so they could build stable lives instead of being pushed around like temporary guests. If you want people to stay rooted, you give them roots. If you want them to contribute, you give them opportunities. That’s how every successful country does it.

But Pakistan didn’t do that.

Instead of integrating these communities into Southern Punjab, upper Sindh, coastal areas and Karachi, places where they were already living, working, and raising families, the state kept them in a permanent state of uncertainty. No IDs. No legal protection. No real economic pathways. Just endless suspicion and bureaucratic hurdles.

And today we’re living with the consequences of that neglect.

If Pakistan had invested in integration instead of exclusion, we would have stronger cities, a stronger economy, and a stronger national identity. You don’t build unity by pushing people away. You build it by giving them a reason to believe they belong.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Their is no time for endless bullshit

Bangladesh was 1000km away

Nations have laws, their are sedition laws, trechery laws

You can be free, you can have freedom of speech, but you cannot be a traitor, especially when it harms our national interests and integrity


These scum bags are the reason for terrorism
They are the fuel that fans the flames


You can only integrate people who want to be integrated, not lannats who are waiting and biding their time waiting to strike when you show signs of weakness

When someone says “there’s no time for bullshit” and then immediately jumps to calling entire communities “scum” or “traitors,” it shows they’re not interested in solutions — only in anger. Nations are not held together by rage. They’re held together by justice, dignity, and smart policy.

And let’s be clear about one thing:
People don’t wake up one morning and decide to become terrorists. It takes years of neglect, humiliation, and hopelessness for a person to reach that point. And if we’re being honest, Pakistan has created those conditions again and again.

Just look at the 400,000 to 800,000 Bengalis living in Karachi.
Three generations have grown up there, born in Pakistan, raised in Pakistan, speaking the local languages, working in the local economy yet the state still refuses to issue them ID cards. Their children can’t go to college, can’t get formal jobs, can’t even register their own nikah. They are trapped in a life with no upward path, no legal identity, and no sense of belonging.

How do you expect people to feel loyalty when the state doesn’t even acknowledge their existence?

This is exactly how alienation grows.
This is how resentment builds.
This is how societies fracture.

If Pakistan truly wants stability, it has to stop treating entire communities like they are temporary or disposable. You don’t build unity by pushing people out, you build it by giving them rights, dignity, and a future worth believing in.