North Korea Defence Forum

[Shags202]

surprised the Koreans haven’t attempted to build their own homemade fighter jet submarines, destroyers,tanks and nuclear weapons but not even a whiff of a fighter jet or helicopter man if any rogue nation could Koreans could definitely

 

[Michael]

The Korean People's Army's "샛별-9(Saetbyol-9)" UAV.

 

[hyperman]

surprised the Koreans haven’t attempted to build their own homemade fighter jet submarines, destroyers,tanks and nuclear weapons but not even a whiff of a fighter jet or helicopter man if any rogue nation could Koreans could definitely

Fighter jet is different level. The hardest part. And they have no modern reference point. They would be better off buying Su-57s from Russia.

 

[sahureka2]

Fighter jet is different level. The hardest part. And they have no modern reference point. They would be better off buying Su-57s from Russia.

Officially, the DPRK is still subject to UN arms sanctions, which were also signed by Russia at the time.
Therefore, in theory, Moscow should refrain from supplying any weapons systems, including fighter aircraft.
As you can see, the DPRK’s most modern weapons bear only a resemblance to Russian-made models; they are not identical systems.
It would therefore be difficult to ‘conceal the origin of the SU-57’, but there are certainly alternatives: the DPRK could acquire 4th-generation+ aircraft, for example platforms from the SU-27 series, for which it would be more difficult for our Western friends to accuse Moscow, as these aircraft have been exported to many countries.
Another alternative is the MiG-29, which the DPRK has already assembled in the past and which it appears to still be assembling in small numbers, whilst also carrying out modernisation work on them.
An extensively modernised MiG-29 – and in this case, Russia could provide significant assistance.
Third alternative: the renewed alliance with Russia could provide the DPRK with tangible assistance in directly developing a new fighter aircraft that would only partially resemble a Russian aircraft. (SU-75??)
4th alternative: in the naval sector, North Korean engineers and technicians working on the new destroyers have followed a design that partly resembles Western designs (see the ship’s hull and main armament); therefore, who knows whether, in the aeronautical field too, a hypothetical new fighter aircraft might appear with an external resemblance to a Western design.

 

[hyperman]

Officially, the DPRK is still subject to UN arms sanctions, which were also signed by Russia at the time.
Therefore, in theory, Moscow should refrain from supplying any weapons systems, including fighter aircraft.
As you can see, the DPRK’s most modern weapons bear only a resemblance to Russian-made models; they are not identical systems.
It would therefore be difficult to ‘conceal the origin of the SU-57’, but there are certainly alternatives: the DPRK could acquire 4th-generation+ aircraft, for example platforms from the SU-27 series, for which it would be more difficult for our Western friends to accuse Moscow, as these aircraft have been exported to many countries.
Another alternative is the MiG-29, which the DPRK has already assembled in the past and which it appears to still be assembling in small numbers, whilst also carrying out modernisation work on them.
An extensively modernised MiG-29 – and in this case, Russia could provide significant assistance.
Third alternative: the renewed alliance with Russia could provide the DPRK with tangible assistance in directly developing a new fighter aircraft that would only partially resemble a Russian aircraft. (SU-75??)
4th alternative: in the naval sector, North Korean engineers and technicians working on the new destroyers have followed a design that partly resembles Western designs (see the ship’s hull and main armament); therefore, who knows whether, in the aeronautical field too, a hypothetical new fighter aircraft might appear with an external resemblance to a Western design.

I think we are way past UN Sanctions now.

Russia has already supplied subsystems to North Korea for its Warships. The fighter jets are not a unique restriction in the UN Sanctions anyways.

He was touring Su-57 production facilities as well.







The question really is about Money, what Russia will sell it for, and how much Kim can pay, as well as if its the right fight for North Korea's strategy(we don't know if he wants to try to match South Korea plane for plane, its not economical for him).

 

[sahureka2]

I think we are way past UN Sanctions now.

Russia has already supplied subsystems to North Korea for its Warships. The fighter jets are not a unique restriction in the UN Sanctions anyways.

He was touring Su-57 production facilities as well.

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The question really is about Money, what Russia will sell it for, and how much Kim can pay, as well as if its the right fight for North Korea's strategy(we don't know if he wants to try to match South Korea plane for plane, its not economical for him).

That’s right, one might speculate that subsystems are being supplied, but externally there is nothing ‘identical’ to the military products currently in use in Russia.
And during that visit to Kim Jong-un, they didn’t just show him the SU-57, but also the SU-35 (which is a direct successor to the SU-27 and bears a strong resemblance to it, making it easier to supply).
But they also showed him the TU-95, TU-22 and TU-160 bombers – though that doesn’t mean they’ll be offered to him.

PS
The cornerstone of the DPRK’s doctrine is the Juche Idea, which is based on self-reliance and is expressed in three forms of independence:
Chaju (political independence)
Charip (economic self-reliance),
but what is of interest here is Chawi (military self-defence): The belief that a state must be able to defend itself against external imperialism, a theory which has legitimised massive military investment, the development of a nuclear arsenal and modern systems.
I am therefore convinced that the next fighter aircraft will be produced in the DPRK, whether under licence or not.