Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

This happens when the pregnancy was of haram and the kid is harami amd finally dies a haram maut..
Its kinda sad that people in KPK and Baluchistan don't love their kids or the people don't value their own people lives, for year after year we see 90% of the suicide bombing cases comes from a Pushtoon race, and yet there is no one who would stand up and think that is this what our kids are only good for? how come parents who suppose to love their children are losing track of their kids, only to find out that they blow some shit up in Pakistan? This is just sad state of affairs for a entire ethnic group.
 

Looks like IK, although an honest and sincere person, has ZERO understanding of the Real Politik....

Siyaset
is no easy job! Even the Sahaba-i Akram (RA) faced problems with it.....

I seek refuge from the Sheyatin and Siyaset - Ustad Bediuzzaman Said Nursi (RA), an Ottoman-era top Muslim scholar from the 19-20th century
 
Its kinda sad that people in KPK and Baluchistan don't love their kids or the people don't value their own people lives, for year after year we see 90% of the suicide bombing cases comes from a Pushtoon race, and yet there is no one who would stand up and think that is this what our kids are only good for? how come parents who suppose to love their children are losing track of their kids, only to find out that they blow some shit up in Pakistan? This is just sad state of affairs for an entire ethnic group.
How many Pakistan Pashtun from KPK have done this act as till now ISPR has been narrating that suicide bombers are afghan nationals and they should be expelled from paksitan.. so u mean to say ISPR is lying to us
 
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This is a proxy war. Lets not attempt to rationalize it. It really is that simple.

When the UK and US were being attacked during the WOT, was it for a lack of development? No it was a lack of counter terrorism capabilities which they promptly fixed instead of negotiating with their enemies.



Listen to this carefully.
 
Its kinda sad that people in KPK and Baluchistan don't love their kids or the people don't value their own people lives, for year after year we see 90% of the suicide bombing cases comes from a Pushtoon race, and yet there is no one who would stand up and think that is this what our kids are only good for? how come parents who suppose to love their children are losing track of their kids, only to find out that they blow some shit up in Pakistan? This is just sad state of affairs for a entire ethnic group.
When you have the state(in collusion with external powers) spending decades glorifying jihad within the area - what do you expect?

Pakistan spearheaded the creation of militant camps, spread specific imported ideology among what were generally tribal people from the start with known tribal warfare. That is like introducing water to magnesium and saying why does magnesium burn?

That doesn't mean something is wrong with Magnesium - it is what it is and you did not bother to enable it to change... it is ones giving it that specific condition that is problem..
 
When you have the state(in collusion with external powers) spending decades glorifying jihad within the area - what do you expect?

Pakistan spearheaded the creation of militant camps, spread specific imported ideology among what were generally tribal people from the start with known tribal warfare. That is like introducing water to magnesium and saying why does magnesium burn?

That doesn't mean something is wrong with Magnesium - it is what it is and you did not bother to enable it to change... it is ones giving it that specific condition that is problem..


Except we can't pretend some people are 'magnesium' and therefore exempt from any responsibility for what they are, while others' follies are volitional. The people that made up the state and took those decisions were much like the magnesium fire they accelerated. One could argue what they did was as much of an inevitability given who they were and given they had power as the jihadism they helped nurture.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for what was done. Including the 'magnesium' that was a most willing accomplice.
 
Some of you may disagree with me, and that's completely fine. But let's ask an honest question... even if every Afghan were removed from Pakistan tomorrow, would that suddenly solve all of our problems? Would inflation disappear? Would political instability end? Would governance improve? Would corruption vanish? We all know the answer.

Many of the crises Pakistan faces today are not imported problems. They are largely self-inflicted wounds that have accumulated over decades. Most of this chaos is man-made, and much of it could have been avoided if difficult conversations had been held years ago instead of being repeatedly swept under the rug.

In my view, this time the establishment has bitten off more than it can chew. The old methods of managing political, economic, and security challenges are no longer producing the same results. The cracks that were once hidden are now visible to everyone.

One of our biggest problems is that we often confuse showcase projects with genuine development. If our entire gauge of progress revolves around slogans like, "Lahore is Pakistan's Paris," then we are already in trouble. A country does not become developed because one city has nice roads, metro buses, flyovers, or attractive commercial districts. Real development means functioning institutions, quality education, access to healthcare, reliable local governments, economic opportunities, and equal treatment of citizens regardless of which province they live in.

A nation succeeds when development reaches Quetta, Peshawar, Sukkur, Gwadar, Interior Sindh, South Punjab, and the remote districts that rarely make headlines. If all the investment, attention, and narrative are concentrated in a few urban centers while the rest of the country feels neglected, resentment naturally grows.

Ten years ago, if I had this conversation, I would have focused on provincial grievances, feelings of exclusion, unequal treatment, and the lack of ownership many citizens feel toward the state. These were issues that people whispered about privately. Today, they are discussed openly in interviews, podcasts, newspaper columns, and public forums.

For decades, many people in Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and Balochistan have felt that they were treated as territories to be managed rather than equal stakeholders in the federation. Whether one agrees with that perception or not, the feeling exists and cannot simply be dismissed.

Sindh was effectively left to PPP and MQM. Many critics argue that MQM repeatedly traded long-term structural reforms, such as a stronger local government system, fair census representation, and greater administrative autonomy for Karachi, for short-term political arrangements and ministerial positions. Consequently, Karachi continues to face many of the same governance problems despite its importance to Pakistan's economy.

In Balochistan, people have long complained that despite the province's strategic location and natural resources, local communities have not seen proportional benefits. The province became associated with smuggling routes, informal trade networks, and chronic underdevelopment, while trust between the center and local populations continued to deteriorate.

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa spent decades bearing the consequences of regional conflicts, militancy, refugee flows, and security operations. Yet whenever law and order deteriorates, the blame is often placed entirely on the provincial government. What is frequently overlooked is that border management and national security are fundamentally federal responsibilities. The federal government, military, and security agencies all have central roles in securing and managing the country's borders.

The irony is that Pakistan's leadership has often searched for external explanations for internal failures. It's easier to blame refugees, foreign conspiracies, neighboring countries, or political opponents than it is to confront decades of policy mistakes, weak governance, institutional dysfunction, and uneven development.

Pakistan's problems are far too deep to be solved by finding a scapegoat. Expelling Afghans will not automatically fix corruption, economic mismanagement, weak institutions, poor governance, or provincial grievances. Those problems existed before the refugee issue became politically convenient, and they will remain afterward unless they are addressed honestly.

At some point, Pakistan must stop measuring success through optics and start measuring it through results. The real question is not whether Lahore looks like Paris. The real question is whether every Pakistani, regardless of province or ethnicity, feels that Pakistan belongs to them and that they have a fair stake in its future. Only then will meaningful and lasting stability be possible.

What really bewilders me is that some people talk about these issues without understanding the regional history, geopolitics, or the long-term consequences of state actions. Imposing Governor's Rule or an emergency in KPK might satisfy certain political interests in the short term, but it would come at a significant cost. It could fuel resentment against the federal government and the establishment, strengthen feelings of political disenfranchisement, and create unnecessary hostility among the people. History shows that coercive political solutions often generate more problems than they solve, especially in regions where trust between citizens and the state is already fragile.

After read some of the comments, I was going to write some pretty nasty words, but I didn't because it's becoming clearer that these people are living in their own bubble unaware of the ground realities. I always give an example of "The Matrix".

My 34 EZ model will fix majority of the problems including development in all 34 Economic Zones, not just "Lahore".

what you said is equally truth and its been a pain and there was never a proper concerted effort to fix the real issues. The sardars and tribals in both provinces were more than happy to take federal money and "manage" the problems, until now that they actually cant and has blown in everyone's faces.........

But

we still need to deport them all, and closing the borders has had a good effect.
Previously all our FOOD was going exported/smuggled into afghanistan and it created/made our food more expensive

eversince those borders are shut, prices in pakistan of all foods/veggies/meats/fruits has stabilized and actually REDUCED because it was not being sent to afghanistan........more and cheaper availability for our own people and markets is better.
That is a massive massive benefit for our own people.


I dont even know who the hell even wants to go to afg from our country. There can be no safety there, no trade, they hate us. Anyone willingly going there is a security threat and can be a double agent.
We need to keep those borders permanently closed and actually close our embassy/consulate there........and close theirs in islamabad and send them all back to their 'glorious' land
 
Except we can't pretend some people are 'magnesium' and therefore exempt from any responsibility for what they are, while others' follies are volitional. The people that made up the state and took those decisions were much like the magnesium fire they accelerated. One could argue what they did was as much of an inevitability given who they were and given they had power as the jihadism they helped nurture.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for what was done. Including the 'magnesium' that was a most willing accomplice.
Depends on what you define as being an accomplice..
A willing accomplice is a person who had a choice and still took the violent one.
If culture has trading girls to settle a feud and it was done willingly - yes - the culture and all those who celebrate that aspect of it are guilty.

It is not a property of everyone who speaks Pashto, and it does not wash the state that struck the match and kept the fuel coming.


If a man picked up a gun to

This is purely to illustrate -
If this same people are producing this

Therefore they are not confined to that state of Magnesium right?

Take honor killing as an example - Punjabis do it, Pathans do it, Balochis do it and so on. Why even after being outlawed in Pakistan do we still hear of incidents?

Why are Pashtun's in the US for e.g. not practicing Pasthunwali's violent aspects in any general form?

Perhaps because the ordinary law available to them is enough to ensure order and they know if they try violence they will face the local law?
Also, by the time they get to second generation - with education and so on - they also decide those practices are
They still try to control girls as do many societies in Pakistan beyond what is prescribed in religion - that is on their culture - not on the state.

So by law Pakistan has banned most of these practices (not the girls control bit) but still choose historically the armed religiously to maintain order then what else can be expected?

You supposedly made progress in 2018 and then it went to infighting between the state and government - heck PTI members from the old tribal seats were by then publicly attacking their own government for not locking the allocation in because it did not want to force it even though it had the best change for it holding KP, Punjab and center.

now, with the full on "jaag punjabi jaag" daughter helming Punjab and KP half managed under PTI and the rest under PTM/TTP - forget any actual compromise to happen to actually implement courts
 
what you said is equally truth and its been a pain and there was never a proper concerted effort to fix the real issues. The sardars and tribals in both provinces were more than happy to take federal money and "manage" the problems, until now that they actually cant and has blown in everyone's faces.........

But

we still need to deport them all, and closing the borders has had a good effect.
Previously all our FOOD was going exported/smuggled into afghanistan and it created/made our food more expensive

eversince those borders are shut, prices in pakistan of all foods/veggies/meats/fruits has stabilized and actually REDUCED because it was not being sent to afghanistan........more and cheaper availability for our own people and markets is better.
That is a massive massive benefit for our own people.


I dont even know who the hell even wants to go to afg from our country. There can be no safety there, no trade, they hate us. Anyone willingly going there is a security threat and can be a double agent.
We need to keep those borders permanently closed and actually close our embassy/consulate there........and close theirs in islamabad and send them all back to their 'glorious' land

Never lose hope and never stop communicating (same advice to married couples). You can’t change your neighbors. You have to learn to deal with them.
In my opinion, what Establishment argue as a short term interest/solution is actually an optical illusion and long term goals is what they should focus on.
 
When you have the state(in collusion with external powers) spending decades glorifying jihad within the area - what do you expect?

Pakistan spearheaded the creation of militant camps, spread specific imported ideology among what were generally tribal people from the start with known tribal warfare. That is like introducing water to magnesium and saying why does magnesium burn?

That doesn't mean something is wrong with Magnesium - it is what it is and you did not bother to enable it to change... it is ones giving it that specific condition that is problem..
I understand the people issues with state, which is quite normal but what about individual responsibility? you and me both live in US, and we know that its not just State but the individual and community that protects American society from threats, half of America hates Republican Party and their president to a point where he almost got assassinated, but yet you don't see the crazy white spremacists or Antifa far left blowing shit up, unfornately our people (certain ethnic group) only know that their way of protest is to just blow shit up, kill innocent people. These Tribal people have normalize violence and brutality to a point that they stop feeling anything and no matter how brutal a beheading video is or how many people die in a VBIED they will just shrug it off like its "Normal".
 

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