Operation True Promise II - dozens of Iranian ballistic missiles hit Israel

[BHAN85]

The resistance in the Middle East is too concerned with a clean fight.
When Saudi Arabia invaded Yemen and spent the day indiscriminately bombing the country, the Yemenis only launched pinpoint counterattacks on refineries and bases, with little effect.
On the other hand, the Taliban, who had no qualms about suicide bombings and bombings of their own civilians, won the war.
Such is the nature of war, unfortunately.

The most son of a bitch wins.

Anyway, when a little group faces a very bigger enemy, it should rely in another some big partner or it's doomed to fail.

Like Cuba relying in USSR facing big USA.

Now things have changed, and the main USA adversary is China.

All this Middle East destabilization can't be good for China longterm interests.

 

[jauk]

The resistance in the Middle East is too concerned with a clean fight.
When Saudi Arabia invaded Yemen and spent the day indiscriminately bombing the country, the Yemenis only launched pinpoint counterattacks on refineries and bases, with little effect.
On the other hand, the Taliban, who had no qualms about suicide bombings and bombings of their own civilians, won the war.
Such is the nature of war, unfortunately.

Iran will not change its 'clean' way of war for convenience and for the 'feel good' of the population like you and I.

 

[jauk]

Question is, can we consider Israeli settlers civilians? I mean they stubbornly stole the land of Palestinians and are still occupying it.
For example, if someone enters your house, kill your family, forcefully expels you out and start living there, what would be the ruling then?

This is a grey area IMO. The thieves are definitely usurpers BUT, what about the children they are breeding and used as child shields?

 

[jauk]

Khamenie himself is a faqih/jurist/mufti and he said al-aqsa flood was legal. So i guess its pretty clear for Iranians and their followers

Children were not eliminated. Only thieves were. So there is consistency.

 

[BHAN85]

Children were not eliminated. Only thieves were. So there is consistency.

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths

A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.

www.france24.com

 

[jauk]

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths

A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.

www.france24.com

I’m not clear what you’re trying to say by referencing a Zionist source. What ARE you try to say?

 

[jauk]

It's French source.

Children were killed in October 7 attacks.

So you're lying in the previous post.

There is more evidence, including pics.

Search a little before post lies.

Oh, so now you've become the source of spreading Zionist propaganda. New member of the small and dim crew. Now we know.

Thanks for that post, BTW.

 

[jauk]

You're the source of spreading lies, no matter the side.
I bet you're a Hasbara undercover.

Ahh a 'betting' muslim'. No wonder you're being beaten to the ground by the real muslims.

 

[jauk]

Troll, I wont reply more to you.

You post nothing but shit.

Thanks. BTW, I wasn't replying to YOU. I was obviating who you are to others.

 

[BHAN85]

Thanks. BTW, I wasn't replying to YOU. I was obviating who you are to others.

You re lying.
You're caught lying.
And you respond the evidence with insults.

People like you make forums a shit. Keep spreading lies.

 

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[Afif]

This seems to be shooting tangents -
If you cannot back it up with Quran and Sunnah then it is Biddat.
Whether Fiqh or not - it has to be derived from the Quran first, backed up by relevant Sahih Hadiath.

Offering victim excuses is irrelevant to the law on affairs.

There are 3 variants of the Kitab al Jihad
Of which Muwatta is the oldest

Imam Malik, Imam Shafi and Imam Abu Hanifa in each of the Kitab al Jihad state:

Surah Baqarah
190 “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress. Indeed Allah does not like transgressions”

Muwatta book 21: “Do not kill women or children or an aged,infirm person. Do not cut down fruit bearing trees. Do not destroy an uninhabited place “

Even if civilians are being used as human shields the guidelines are to take EVERY measure to prevent loss to them.

Kitab al Kharaj - by Imam Abu Yusuf
“Hazrat Umar (RA) would specifically offer guidance to not harm civilians”

Al-Kafi , Volume 5
Attributed to Hazrat Ali “Fear god in the matter of the people and of the land you have been assigned to. Do not kill women or children, and do not destroy synagogues or churches”

So unless you can bring a direct QUOTE - please do not slither away by asking everyone else to research but arguing from a position equal to these scholars because you haven’t provided an iota of jurisprudence backup other than what are your own principles and character as a human being wanting to kill civilians.

Either admit that or stop hiding behind “I am a scholar or mufti or expert”


On that note - Iran has truly given a response befitting of Muslims even if it’s effectiveness was questioned - they’ve focused on military targets as much as possible and avoided all places where there would be excessive civilians present

Once again - all of it is IRRELEVANT personal opinion and ideals that have no ground in Fiqh.

Just feathers to make a crow to try and present an opinion by you.

The ONLY actual “proof” is that last example - please bring more if you expect to be taken seriously other than just out for personal characteristics blood which is fine - but don’t use Islam as the tissue paper to wipe your bloodlust.

When the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “They are from them,” it referred to the unintentional harm to women and children during such raids, not permission to target them intentionally.

Imam Nawawi (in his book Sharj Sahih Muslim) explained that this refers to accidental harm in the chaos of night raids, not deliberate targeting of women and children, which remains forbidden.

In Fath al-Bari, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani states that Islamic rules of warfare forbid intentional harm to non-combatants - but acknowledges that unintended casualties in military operations can occur.

Al-Shawkaani (in Nayl al-Awtar) confirms that while the hadith recognizes collateral damage, it upholds the principle that non-combatants should not be deliberately targeted.

That is referenced with Scholars who do not share your interpretation - who did you reference?

Bro, do you have previous academic expertise in Islamic studies? If not، then this is very well read on your own.

Among 21th publications, I found Yusuf Qardawi's Fiqhul Jihad (فقه الجهاد) most comprehensive in this regard. He deals with lot of these questions in details. Gigantic book with over 1600 pages.

 

[Taimoor]

According to Imam Khamenei's fatwa, there are no civilians in Israel. Everyone who lives in Israel is part of the Israeli army to occupy Muslim lands.

Thats true.

However, as Muslims we must exercise restraint because thats what our history tell us.

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ قَوَّٰمِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَآءَ بِٱلْقِسْطِ ۖ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَـَٔانُ قَوْمٍ عَلَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا۟ ۚ ٱعْدِلُوا۟ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَىٰ ۖ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ خَبِيرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ ٨

O believers! Stand firm for Allah and bear true testimony. Do not let the hatred of a people lead you to injustice. Be just! That is closer to righteousness. And be mindful of Allah. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what you do.

Our code of war is not to kill for the sake of it, we kill our enemies to be send and judged. We are not judge and jury. We are just the means.

One of the most dangerous betrayal that would be wiped out Islam in its infancy, the betrayal of Banu Qurayza, when all dust settled, women and children were spared. Many people do not know, that Prophet (PBUH) didnt authorized it, he was silent. Its the Muslims armies who in their rage did what was deemed fit at that time.

And that famous line from Hollywood blockbuster, "I am not those men, I am Salahuddin". Were the occupiers of Jerusalem back then any better then these Zionists scumbags?

 

[tsunset]

I will not say what i want to say because i don't want to get arrested and put into jail

This mentality of brown people = star wars storm troopers and Israelis/Whites = supreme race that is worth 100000 of Asian space troopers needs to stop

 

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