Our India headache - and how to cure it

[Yasser76]

Then you have no clue how neither India or Pakistan thinks.

Please, for the love of everything sacred, stop pretending you know things, surely by now everyone on this forum knows you have absolutely zero knowledge on matters.

Or do we need to still refer to this gem? I think you need to leave the adults to debate now, go research more on Chinese jet engines then come and tell us what Pak military thinks.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

India holding back data like that is just pathetic. But Pakistan can live with that. What cannot happen is if India try to build a tunnel to steal Chenab water.

No dams mean Pakistan will get water from all 6 rivers. India will be loser here. If this war turn nuclear then India again with 7 times more population and economy will be ultimate looser here. Imagine giving all that just to steal neighbour water. Water is life so Pakistan will not compromise. Thats not short sighted but survival instinct.

It is what comes with abeyance. If you can live with that, there won't be a major furore that too after 1 year of abeyance. The sudden rise in this interest of IWT simply because of lack in data. But address the issues plaguing India and Pakistan, we have a set of demands to restore IWT you fulfill them you get your data.

As for nuclear war, it's pointless to talk about it, yeah nuclear war we all die. End of story.

 

[Master Chief]

This is delusional thinking by Pakistan, as usual. It thinks it won Operation Sindoor (Maarka-e-Haq), but it didn't win anything significant. Acting as a mediator in the Iran-US war has raised Pakistan's diplomatic profile, but these things are fleeting.

None of these things have changed the ground realities for Pakistan, from its economy to its relations with Afghanistan. Yet Pakistan talks from strength, including this nonsense of "offensive defense," as if Pakistan has this capacity in the first place.

Pakistan can try, of course, but don't expect it to get the result it's seeking.

And If Pakistan doesn't want peace talks, it makes no difference to India at all. That would be India's preferred position.

Keep crying. We will fill the Indus with your tears and drink them.

 

[Master Chief]

considering your previous issue is that you did nit completely deter india and destroy india, isnt this statement contradictoty.

Without providing proof indians keep making fun of these statements like windy, sissy, loser talk etc.

Credibility is important for drterrence and leadership.

That's odd. Last I checked, your air force was fully deterred from taking off for 3 whole days.

But carry on with your delusions. We don't mind.

 

[Master Chief]

It is what comes with abeyance. If you can live with that, there won't be a major furore that too after 1 year of abeyance. The sudden rise in this interest of IWT simply because of lack in data. But address the issues plaguing India and Pakistan, we have a set of demands to restore IWT you fulfill them you get your data.

As for nuclear war, it's pointless to talk about it, yeah nuclear war we all die. End of story.

Abeyance is a meaningless word with repsect to IWT. This has been explained ad nauseam on a different thread. You can have a god called "abeyance" and build a temple to it for all we care. We shall deal with Hindustan as we please.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Pakistan needs to prepare a target bank of India's most valuable economic assets - like oil refineries, power plants, industries - and state organs that it sees as critical.

Any such escalation would directly put them under fire setting India back decades at the minimum.

It should be made absolutely clear to not just the Indian military brass but to their populist warmongers that the asymmetry they believe they have where they are untouchable is built out of fragile glass.

Secondly, Pakistan should promote a more accurate cultural depiction of India, by raising awareness of caste supremacists like the oppression of lower castes at the hands of upper castes as well as the state-sponsored erasure of unique ethnic and cultural regions like Punjabi Sikhs, Dravidians in the South, and the Christian regions. The imposition of Hindi and Hindi-centric policies needs to be made more publicly aware.

 

[Meengla]

I didn't know where to post this but this could be right thread. Startling to see this Indian Muslim openly regretting that 38% of Indian Muslims didn't support Mr. Jinnah during the Partition. Now regrets setting in. From what I have understood, the vast majority of Indian Muslims are silent supporters of Pakistan. Arfa Sherwani is among them but she has to be careful and occasionally even bash Pakistan--otherwise!
Anyway, never stop thanking God and Jinnah for Pakistan!

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[Master Chief]

Pakistan needs to prepare a target bank of India's most valuable economic assets - like oil refineries, power plants, industries - and state organs that it sees as critical.

Any such escalation would directly put them under fire setting India back decades at the minimum.

It should be made absolutely clear to not just the Indian military brass but to their populist warmongers that the asymmetry they believe they have where they are untouchable is built out of fragile glass.

Secondly, Pakistan should promote a more accurate cultural depiction of India, by raising awareness of caste supremacists like the oppression of lower castes at the hands of upper castes as well as the state-sponsored erasure of unique ethnic and cultural regions like Punjabi Sikhs, Dravidians in the South, and the Christian regions. The imposition of Hindi and Hindi-centric policies needs to be made more publicly aware.

Already underway. The problem in the informational sphere is that of weight of numbers. India's dalitised and obedient hordes will spew their propaganda relentlessly to the order of 100x what we are capable of achieving with our counternarratives. This is the problem to overcome now.

 

[r3alist]

The main issue is not tunnels or dams. (We are not building them right now) It's the data on how much water is flowing when it rains or during draught and how much desilting / temp storage we are doing in our dams that's what is causing this whole IWT abeyance problem primarily. The data.

This is actually true, but why does the Indian side escalate the rhetoric, things like drying Pakistan out, this is excessive bravado which does not become defensible and in fact will damage India's own reputation as being irresponsible and destabilizing, as well as giving Pakistan very easy existential and moral compulsion to act

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Already underway. The problem in the informational sphere is that of weight of numbers. India's dalitised and obedient hordes will spew their propaganda relentlessly to the order of 100x what we are capable of achieving with our counternarratives. This is the problem to overcome now.

Very true. That cockroach sized population can spam its way through any algoritithm or data collection.

But I sense a bit of confusion or lack of direction on our own side too

 

[r3alist]

Already underway. The problem in the informational sphere is that of weight of numbers. India's dalitised and obedient hordes will spew their propaganda relentlessly to the order of 100x what we are capable of achieving with our counternarratives. This is the problem to overcome now.

the one aspect the Indians are willing to concede to Pakistan is in the information space, that's kind of a backhanded compliment intended to say there was more form over substance in operation sindy, highly ironic in fact

But also you have to look at credibility and quality of Voices versus quantity, this is where India was rather lonely

 

[Yasser76]

Already underway. The problem in the informational sphere is that of weight of numbers. India's dalitised and obedient hordes will spew their propaganda relentlessly to the order of 100x what we are capable of achieving with our counternarratives. This is the problem to overcome now.

We have also seen Indian dependence on oil via Hormuz. Not so impossible to have PN patrol this area and stop Indian flagged ships. If Iran and Oman can claim sovereignty over Hormuz, Pak coastline runs right up to the mouth of Hormuz. We can come up with something creative here, just like we did with the air space ban

 

[Yasser76]

the one aspect the Indians are willing to concede to Pakistan is in the information space, that's kind of a backhanded compliment intended to say there was more form over substance in operation sindy, highly ironic in fact

But also you have to look at credibility and quality of Voices versus quantity, this is where India was rather lonely

Yeah, they have numbers but the quality of their discorse (as we often see on this forum) drives neutrals to Pak's point of view.....

 

[Master Chief]

I didn't know where to post this but this could be right thread. Startling to see this Indian Muslim openly regretting that 38% of Indian Muslims didn't support Mr. Jinnah during the Partition. Now regrets setting in. From what I have understood, the vast majority of Indian Muslims are silent supporters of Pakistan. Arfa Sherwani is among them but she has to be careful and occasionally even bash Pakistan--otherwise!
Anyway, never stop thanking God and Jinnah for Pakistan!

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Truly. Our Indian guests on this very forum still laugh openly at the suggestion that Indian muslims do not live freely in their own land because of hindutva. But the evidence is in plain sight, which is why their laughter is a cover for their begrudging acknowledgement of reality - psychologists call this incongruent affect.

Always thank Jinnah, Iqbal et al for crossing the ideological Rubicon many decades ago.

 

[Meengla]

This is actually true, but why does the Indian side escalate the rhetoric, things like drying Pakistan out, this is excessive bravado which does not become defensible and in fact will damage India's own reputation as being irresponsible and destabilizing, as well as giving Pakistan very easy existential and moral compulsion to act

Right.
No country on Earth has hurt Pakistan more than Afghanistan but you don't see Pakistanis wanting to stop food and water to Afghanistan or wanting to grab Afghan territory (forum posts aside). Some harsh measures have been taken with trade and security measures on Afghanistan recently but even then the Pakistanis just wish to be left alone and wish the Afghans well.

Indian officials, on the other hand, have made very harsh and immoral statements about Pakistan from the topmost levels. Not long ago, India's Defense Minister was hinting toward taking the province of Sindh from Pakistan. Sindh is not even in any dispute. Then there was India's NSA Ajit Duval mentioning India's desire for terrorism in Baluchistan.

Do we not see the shades of Israel-speak in today's India?