PAF F-16 | Discussions

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Fyntynal-16, should be avoided at all cost. The missiles are ok to keep existing fleet happy, unsure if these will continue to work or not in real war

• Focus on J10C and JF17 unattached to any strings
• Focus on JF17 PFX
• F-35 focus on it

The offer for Missile seems interesting , just don't see how more F16V would help Pakistan, it's just an addiction we have to get over with rehab

 

[Ak01]

Fyntynal-16, should be avoided at all cost. The missiles are ok to keep existing fleet happy, unsure if these will continue to work or not in real war

• Focus on J10C and JF17 unattached to any strings
• Focus on JF17 PFX
• F-35 focus on it

The offer for Missile seems interesting , just don't see how more F16V would help Pakistan, it's just an addiction we have to get over with rehab

bro do u just post retarded stuff always

 

[rafale]

i wonder why armed forces are full of such incompetent leadership, while all the wise, truly knowledgeable people are on the forums

wait till you visit the Indian forums or Indian social media...........

 

[Ali_Baba]

$4.2 Billion USD could have easily bought

• 100+ JF17 Thunders without weapons package

May be attain Weapons in separate deal

• Another 300-400 Million for missiles

Buying $300 million per plane is a offering form King Jordan to Donald Trump , like in old days , tribes sent basket of fruit to another King

Offering from us to you King Region

That is why I dont think there is any value in purchasing new build F16Vs given the cost involved. Upgrade of the F16 Radars, and missiles for the existing fleet to be able to use the C8's should cover all that is required.

The focus for new procurements has to be stealth, and J10CE's until the J-35A's are ready.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I think any funding that comes for the mutual defence treaty with Saudi Arabia will be for Chinese systems like the J-35. Saudi can buy all the western systems it needs on its own, it does not need Pakistan for that. What Saudi wants is systems that have a distinct military advantage over Israel like stealth. Pakistan is a useful proxy to get the capability of stealth into its defence matrix when it is required. Pakistani's can then operate that equipment on Saudi soil as part of the agreement.

 

[Quwa]

Ideally we also should get MRO type maintenance agreement for the older models.

Indus Viper project

Peace Viper

 

[Ak01]

Unfortunately yes, I completely agree — the Air Force F16 Squadron( Read Begum Squadron ) has finally won.

Every upgrade means countless training sessions , official “visits to the U.S.
Begums get to accompany that will entail countless shopping sprees to the shopping malls ( Disney and Dior deployments), children getting visits to Ivy League universities , and Begums achieving new heights in retail-based diplomacy. ANd on top of that salaries paid in USD. who will miss this gravy train.

standard nonsense youve got no clue about

 

[Metal 0-1]

F16 is like Fentanyl get addicted and can't get off it

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I'm high as kite sonnyyyy

 

[Broghil]

This

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Are you ok?


You were rubbishing that 190km kill by PL15 not in distant past. Do I need to add anything to that?

How would you use F-16s with Pl 15? Either you wish to totally discard F 16s from our future equation or you give them the best missile they can use.

 

[m52k85]

they literally use the same motor, same avionics and underwent the same F3R refresh...

So are you agreeing then that the Aim-120D and Aim-120D3 dont use a dual pulse motor?

Idk what you mean by same avionics, all we know if there is a software difference between the C-8 and D-3. That could be software difference between the host platform or could be a software difference between the missile.

Yes, the both received the F3R refresh, but again details are not known for certain. May be both got the data link along with collaborative targeting..

 

[Taimoor]

i am uninterested in wasting my breath on you to be honest lol- but yes, target drones are designed to mimic...targets.

A 9g, 600kts drone is no joke lol.

I have zero interest in entertaining your hubris. Have already made my point, if it's not registering in your apparent empty upper chamber, best to end this convo here.

 

[abcefg]

That is why I dont think there is any value in purchasing new build F16Vs given the cost involved. Upgrade of the F16 Radars, and missiles for the existing fleet to be able to use the C8's should cover all that is required.

The focus for new procurements has to be stealth, and J10CE's until the J-35A's are ready.

Back in 2016, PAF was in talks with TAI for a SLEP program for its entire A/B fleet, including ADFs, but it fell through. Similarly, in late 2015, discussions about an MLU for ADF were rejected, all because of India's flawed MMRCA program. If those upgrades had gone through, PAF would never have opted for the J-10s. In my opinion, PAF will never compromise F-16s as they will outlive Jeffs and J-10s. Spending over a billion dollars to upgrade our 18 F-16 Block 52s? Absolutely worth it—4,000+ hours and capabilities on par with the J-10. F-16 all the way!

 

[Taimoor]

It’s not about comparison to PL15. PL15 can’t arm F16, we have 75 of those. This will bring upgraded capabilities to that significant portion of our fleet.

A certain retard believe the Ds hold the longest a2a kill record by hitting a "drone" at "undisclosed" range (as if his phoopa works at Raytheon) while dismissing PL15 kill of actual 4.5 gen aircraft at 190km+ range. How do you deal with such buffoonery?

If these Ds are coming for free, then why not, but to spend such resources from own pocket on capability which is inferior to what you already got (and battle proven), not so wise. Rather you spend that money to enhance on your capabilities.

I take your point of 75 F16s in our inventory, but would that mean significant upgrades on them to effectively employ Ds? None of them are AESA equipped, while all our PL15 carrying fleet is. Argument can be made that all these F16s needs AESA upgraded to be able to achieve that very long range a2a kills that we did with our J10s. If that's the case, how much the cost escalates to?

 

[Strawman]

Back in 2016, PAF was in talks with TAI for a SLEP program for its entire A/B fleet, including ADFs, but it fell through. Similarly, in late 2015, discussions about an MLU for ADF were rejected, all because of India's flawed MMRCA program. If those upgrades had gone through, PAF would never have opted for the J-10s. In my opinion, PAF will never compromise F-16s as they will outlive Jeffs and J-10s. Spending over a billion dollars to upgrade our 18 F-16 Block 52s? Absolutely worth it—4,000+ hours and capabilities on par with the J-10. F-16 all the way!

The A/Bs underwent a mid-life SLEP in 2015. The 2016-17 TAI upgrade was related to NVIS capability enhancement and went ahead. As for the ADFs, I don't believe the air force saw a lot of value in upgrading them given their intended role and the associated costs. However, there may now be a prospect that the ADFs could recieve donor avionics drawn from the aircraft potentially slated for F-16V conversion, but that's just a thought

The F-16 is and has always been a worthwhile investment for Pakistan, despite what some people would have you believe

 

[Path-Finder]

I know its a wild dream but remember when USA and India were getting along, Lockmart had come up with the proposal for F-21 designed specifically for India and its need for "Make in India" project. Imagine if Pakistan was going good and could make such deal as "Make in Pakistan" for F-21 deal.

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stick to Gen-5+ projects, for lesser Gen-4+ stick to Chinese.