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Don't know who decided not to get more block 52s when we could. Blunder of the decade at the time.
khawaja asif, he was defense minster then
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Defence Minister always has zero say. He has always been a rubber stamp
(from used rubber IYKYK)
Wrong rubber stamp. The correct rubber stamp is the minister of defence production under whom operates the DG Acquisitions.
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What is written on paper, and how the world works, are two different things. Nonetheless, best not to give too many details.
It's public info, if people are going to question a minister, we better direct them to at least the right minister.
It is like saying the federal education minister is responsible for the condition of schools, but that is not true, it is the provincial governments that are. Nothing secret in this sort of info.
Coming back to the original question of why so few F-16s were acquired, it was indeed a let down of magnanimous proportions. Pakistan strategically pivoted into the US lap only for 76 odd AMRAAM firers (off which only 18 were new), even the AMRAAMs were a version before the latest (c-7 first international orders date back to 2008). Here is a list of non-nato countries who have strategically pivoted to the US at some point or other:
1. Saudi Arabia (200+ F-15s, latest AMRAAMs c-7/c-8s)
2. South Korea (50+ F-15s, 150+ F-16s, c-7 first ordered in 2008)
3. Japan (200+ F-15s, c-7s/c-8s)
4. Singapore (40 F-15s + 50 F-16s, c-7s first ordered 2008)
5. Taiwan (100+ F-16s, now in V spec, c-7s)
Pakistan did not bargain a good deal.
Relevant SIPRI data:
| Recipient | Supplier | Year of order | Number ordered | Weapon designation | Weapon description | Number delivered | Year(s) of delivery | status | Comments | SIPRI TIV per unit | SIPRI TIV for total order | SIPRI TIV of delivered weapons | |||
| Japan | United States | 2014 | ? | 17 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 17 | ? | 2016 | New | $33 m deal; AIM-120C7 version | 0.6 | 10.2 | 10.2 |
| Japan | United States | 2005 | ? | 25 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 25 | ? | 2006 | New | AIM-120C-5 version | 0.6 | 15 | 15 |
| Japan | United States | 2017 | 56 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 56 | ? | 2020; 2021 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 33.6 | 33.6 | |
| Japan | United States | 2019 | ? | 192 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 192 | ? | 2021; 2022; 2023 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 115.2 | 115.2 |
| Japan | United States | 2020 | ? | 362 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 32 | ? | 2023 | New | AIM-120C-8 version | 0.6 | 217.2 | 19.2 |
| South Korea | United States | 2002 | 147 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 75 | ? | 2006 | New | Part of $110 m deal; for F-15K combat aircraft | 0.6 | 88.2 | 45 | ||
| South Korea | United States | 2008 | ? | 125 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 125 | ? | 2011; 2012; 2014; 2015 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 75 | 75 | |
| South Korea | United States | 2014 | ? | 274 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 274 | ? | 2016; 2017; 2018 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 164.4 | 164.4 |
| South Korea | United States | 2019 | 60 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 60 | ? | 2021; 2022 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 36 | 36 | |
| South Korea | United States | 2019 | ? | 60 | ? | AIM-120D AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 60 | ? | 2021; 2022 | New | 0.8 | 48 | 48 | |
| Pakistan | United States | 2007 | 500 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 500 | ? | 2010; 2013; 2014 | New | $265 m deal; AIM-120C-5 version; for F-16 combat aircraft | 0.6 | 300 | 300 | |
| Saudi Arabia | United States | 2000 | 500 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 169 | ? | 2006 | New | $475 m deal; for F-15 combat aircraft | 0.6 | 300 | 101.4 | ||
| Saudi Arabia | United States | 2006 | 14 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 14 | ? | 2008 | New | AIM-120C-5 version | 0.6 | 8.4 | 8.4 | |
| Saudi Arabia | United States | 2013 | 500 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 500 | ? | 2015; 2016; 2017; 2018; 2019 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 300 | 300 | |
| Saudi Arabia | United States | 2022 | ? | 280 | ? | AIM-120D AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 0 | New | 0.8 | 224 | 0 | |||
| Singapore | United States | 2004 | 50 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 50 | ? | 2006 | New | $25 m deal; AIM-120C-5 version | 0.6 | 30 | 30 | ||
| Singapore | United States | 2006 | ? | 100 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 100 | ? | 2009; 2010 | New | For F-15SG combat aircraft; AIM-120C-5 version | 0.6 | 60 | 60 |
| Singapore | United States | 2008 | ? | 200 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 200 | ? | 2013; 2014; 2015; 2016 | New | AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120C-7 versions | 0.6 | 120 | 120 | |
| Singapore | United States | 2014 | 100 | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 100 | ? | 2016; 2017 | New | AIM-120C-7 version | 0.6 | 60 | 60 | ||
| Taiwan | United States | 2007 | ? | 218 | ? | AIM-120C AMRAAM | BVRAAM | 218 | ? | 2013; 2014 | New | 0.6 | 130.8 | 130.8 |
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17 May 1986
A Pakistani F-16 shoots down a Su-22 of the Afghan Air Force, making Pakistan the second country after Israel to put F-16s into military action.
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17 May 1986
A Pakistani F-16 shoots down a Su-22 of the Afghan Air Force, making Pakistan the second country after Israel to put F-16s into military action.
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Well lets not forget many on this list paid full price hard cash, we were getting our heavily subsidised. Beggers cannot be choosers!
Same defeatist mentality as most of our leaders. One who is opening up their country for all manner of war logistics is a beggar? One who is taking the risk to alienate a portion of the border population for a whole generation or more is a beggar?
Multiple ex-american officials (presidents, sec states, sec defenses) have over the years mentioned in their books how they were surprised by likes of Mush, Zardari, Kiyani, Pasha etc that they rolled over so cheaply. All cut from the same cloth: "is my retirement property safe"..
I wonder what we will write in the history books: "baraa sauda kia, pooray chouda puranay f-sola, aur attahra naye. Baqi chautees ko amreekan thel laga kar naya bhi kia".
And that's about it, all of the WOT, couldnt even get the attack helis that Zarvan could have sworn he saw landing in karachi. No javelins, just some TOWs, HARM disabled F-16s, no P-8s just some older P-3s, the list goes on and dont even get me started on the missed industrial opportunity. The Wisdom and foresight of our leaders, wah wah.
And that's about it, all of the WOT, couldnt even get the attack helis that Zarvan could have sworn he saw landing in karachi. No javelins, just some TOWs, HARM disabled F-16s, no P-8s just some older P-3s, the list goes on and dont even get me started on the missed industrial opportunity. The Wisdom and foresight of our leaders, wah wah.
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