PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Zarvan]

Sure, but no recent statements by PAF on the LIFT at all, yet several statements on J-35. So I question how you came to the conclusion LIFT is a bigger priority then J-35. Leonardo and AVIC will never reveal anything sensitive. So ot would be interesting to know how you came to this conclusion

In my personal opinion, the Hurjet from Turkey is now also a serious contender, but I see more potential for the upcoming trainer jet from China.

 

[Michael]

In my personal opinion, the Hurjet from Turkey is now also a serious contender, but I see more potential for the upcoming trainer jet from China.
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Current information indicates that the aircraft is a carrier-based LIFT (Lead-In Fighter Trainer) variant for the Navy, which is unsuitable for Pakistan.

According to relevant Chinese academic papers and unconfirmed reports, a land-based light attack variant for the Air Force may be developed—primarily targeting the export market, though the PLAAF might procure a small number. This role, however, conflicts with the tactical positioning of Pakistan's JF-17; consequently, the likelihood of Pakistan actually purchasing it is very low.

There is currently no indication that an Air Force LIFT variant will be offered, as the existing L-15/JL-10 (single vertical stabilizer version) already meets operational requirements.

 

[Quwa]

Sure, but no recent statements by PAF on the LIFT at all, yet several statements on J-35. So I question how you came to the conclusion LIFT is a bigger priority then J-35.

Circling back to ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan's statements. Alan Warnes interviewed him (via Jane's) in May 2019; here's the excerpt:

"Before its FGFA capability comes online, ACM Khan said the PAF must acquire a new trainer and that the Leonardo M-346, Hongdu L-15, and KAI T-50 have all been evaluated," adding, "“It [LIFT] doesn’t have to be supersonic, but will need to have an air interdiction radar and a datalink training system.”

Basically, before the FGFA, the PAF will induct a new LIFT.

That was the PAF's official stance on the record in 2019. Not once has the current CAS contradicted, walked back, or changed this position. Yes, it could be that the NGFA is coming sooner now, but I guarantee you, the LIFT will still come before then (meaning timelines are accelerated).

Then, returning to more recent official statements, while, yes, they didn't emphasize the LIFT (but also didn't contradict the earlier point either), AVM Ghazi said (this year) that while an "initial collaborative mechanism" was laid for the J-35AE, the priority for now was to get additional JF-17s and J-10CEs.

So, piecing the PAF's official statements together, the roadmap is: more JF-17Cs and J-10CEs, then LIFTs, and then J-35AEs. Could it all happen sooner than planned, sure, but whether it's earlier or later, that's the track we can see from the statements as they are today.

Leonardo and AVIC will never reveal anything sensitive. So ot would be interesting to know how you came to this conclusion

Sure, but why are you assuming the LIFT was a sensitive issue?

 

[Yasser76]

Circling back to ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan's statements. Alan Warnes interviewed him (via Jane's) in May 2019; here's the excerpt:

"Before its FGFA capability comes online, ACM Khan said the PAF must acquire a new trainer and that the Leonardo M-346, Hongdu L-15, and KAI T-50 have all been evaluated," adding, "“It [LIFT] doesn’t have to be supersonic, but will need to have an air interdiction radar and a datalink training system.”

Basically, before the FGFA, the PAF will induct a new LIFT.

That was the PAF's official stance on the record in 2019. Not once has the current CAS contradicted, walked back, or changed this position. Yes, it could be that the NGFA is coming sooner now, but I guarantee you, the LIFT will still come before then (meaning timelines are accelerated).

Then, returning to more recent official statements, while, yes, they didn't emphasize the LIFT (but also didn't contradict the earlier point either), AVM Ghazi said (this year) that while an "initial collaborative mechanism" was laid for the J-35AE, the priority for now was to get additional JF-17s and J-10CEs.

So, piecing the PAF's official statements together, the roadmap is: more JF-17Cs and J-10CEs, then LIFTs, and then J-35AEs. Could it all happen sooner than planned, sure, but whether it's earlier or later, that's the track we can see from the statements as they are today.



Sure, but why are you assuming the LIFT was a sensitive issue?

Sorry, no one is making it a "sensitive issue", unsure where you assumed that, I was simply asking a question.

Your working basis is that as no one has contradicted an almost 7 year old statement it still must hold?

Since then we have had PM tweets (deleted after a while), PAF CAS statements and very recently the IAF CAS all state J-35 is very much on the cards. For 7 years not a real word on LIFT, but here you are claiming LIFT is a bigger priority then J-35.

My simple question, which I will repeat, is simply what is your basis for this?

 

[Yasser76]

In my personal opinion, the Hurjet from Turkey is now also a serious contender, but I see more potential for the upcoming trainer jet from China.
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For sure, just weir how suddenly people can claim PAF has prioritised this over J-35 without any evidence

 

[worldwar]

Pakistan should join Türkiye’s KAAN project to help its Muslim brothers develop their defense industry.

 

[user]

I couldn't go through the 122 pages.... PAF needs strategic bombers to complete the triad.

 

[Trailer23]

A lil' over a couple of years back, there was an L-15 that had made two stops in Pakistan.

Once while heading to the UAE for the DxB Air Show '23, and on the way back. Both times it stopped at Masroor Air Base.

On the way back, it had an extended stay along with all the support staff for evaluation.

From the information I have been able to gather is that the L-15 is the front contender and quite possibly the only one in the running. And the variant that has been discussed is the L-15B variant.