PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

The ones against Italian Typhoons in 2008 were WVR scenario but later it were the MLU Vipers that fleeced Saudi Typhoons and Eagles in both scenarios.

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The RSAF is getting good but will take more to get to a better level. Probably not the best gauge for the PAF. Exercises with NATO will truly tell performance but a lot has been learned since 2008.,, especially with (rumored) sit ins for PAF officers in certain briefings without their country patches.

 

[Yasser76]

I'm talking about J10C sir not JF-17 sir

May well happen in the current exercise just not publicised, or will happen in the future, Pak-Qatar MIL to MIL relations are very good, with India they are now keeping a long distance

 

[Dreamer]

Whoever thought using this camouflage was a good idea on the J-10, instead of the default grey should immediately be fired.

I think I already completed this incomplete sentence on the previous forum.

Don't make me do it again here.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Qatari Eurofighters Flying Against Pakistani J-10s In Exercise​

Qatari Eurofighter Typhoons are operating alongside and against Pakistani Chengdu J-10Cs in the first military drills bringing the two canard fighter types together.

The aircraft are operating together as part of the Zilzal-II air exercise currently being hosted by Qatar.

According to a Jan. 10 announcement published by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), the Zilzal exercise will mimic a “realistic aerial warfare scenario” and test the operational readiness of the participating air forces.

The exercise is believed to be the first overseas deployment of the Pakistani J-10 fleet, which entered service in March 2022. How many aircraft have been deployed to Qatar is unclear, although it appears the exercise is being run out of Doha airbase, near the capital’s main airport, rather than the Al-Udeid airbase, which features a heavy U.S. presence.

According to the Pakistan Air Force, the J-10s will “face off” against the Eurofighters, potentially providing an understanding of the effectiveness of the Chinese platform against its Western counterpart.

Both aircraft feature an active electronically scanned array radar and can use beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles—the MBDA Meteor for the Eurofighter and the export version of the PL-15 for the J-10C.

“The participation of these fighter jets [J-10Cs] in the aerial exercise marks a significant milestone in PAF’s journey toward a technologically advanced and formidable air force,” the PAF says. “The rapid acquisition and operationalization of these advanced fighter aircraft showcases the PAF’s dedication to maintaining a cutting-edge force, capable of meeting evolving challenges and defending Pakistan’s airspace with utmost proficiency.”

The previous Zilzal-I exercise, held between the two countries in 2020, saw Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder fighters operating with Qatar’s Mirage 2000s. Pakistan’s JF-17s were locally developed with Chinese support.

Qatar also has the Boeing F-15QA Advanced Eagle and the Dassault Rafale, but it is unclear whether the J-10s will operate against any other Qatari aircraft during the exercise. Pakistan is believed to have acquired the J-10 as a potential counter to India’s acquisition of the Rafale.

Qatari Eurofighters Flying Against Pakistani J-10s In Exercise | Aviation Week Network

Qatari Eurofighter Typhoons are operating with Pakistani Chengdu J-10Cs in the first military drills bringing the two canard fighter types together.

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[FuturePAF]

Why must they insist on using this ugly camouflage?

It was cute the first time, but now it's just plain cringe.

Whoever thought using this camouflage was a good idea on the J-10, instead of the default grey should immediately be fired.

Isn’t meant for Naval operations. It might be cringe to the eyes but if it prevents the enemy from seeing the jet, then that’s what counts, is it not?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why would we don't face Rafale in current exercise with Qatar,? Its unique opportunity for PAF to develop tactics against Rafales using J10C

Maybe PAF is doing an evaluation of J10C vs Typhoon for the Turkish Airforce ?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[studsmart]

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How many j10c participating?

 

[That_Guy]

Isn’t meant for Naval operations. It might be cringe to the eyes but if it prevents the enemy from seeing the jet, then that’s what counts, is it not?

It absolutely does not.

There's a good reason why the grey color is used, and not green. Grey blends in with clouds and the sky much better than a dark green.

 

[redgriffin]

I believe the Air Chief is already on his way out, unless, he too is getting an extension .

On a another matter...
I gotta say, seeing the EFT & J-10 side-by-side - it's shocking how the two look similar in size & design.

Although, I do need to look up as to how much the J-10 can carry on its hard points, 'cause the EFT is Bomb Truck.

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No, it can't. The Typhoon has 15 weapon stations, the J-10 has 11. The Typhoon can carry more in terms of weight & a more diversified loadout with a minimum of 4 air-air missiles in any air-ground loadout due to the 4 semi-conformal missile/sensor pod stations it has as well as the two outermost underwing stations. The J-10 can only use it's 4 under intake stations for eith sensors or 250 Kg bombs, has only got 6 underwing stations compared to 8 for the Typhoon & no wingtip stations. This limits the diversity of its loadouts IMO quite severely.

 

[DarthVader]

Isn’t meant for Naval operations. It might be cringe to the eyes but if it prevents the enemy from seeing the jet, then that’s what counts, is it not?

Like modi said use clouds to hide.

US navy tested these dazzlings cameos around ww2 if i m not mistake, but with better electronics these became obsolete pretty quick.

As most people thats for flying low and close to terrain what happenes when these birds are at normal altitude

 

[ziaulislam]

No, it can't. The Typhoon has 15 weapon stations, the J-10 has 11. The Typhoon can carry more in terms of weight & a more diversified loadout with a minimum of 4 air-air missiles in any air-ground loadout due to the 4 semi-conformal missile/sensor pod stations it has as well as the two outermost underwing stations. The J-10 can only use it's 4 under intake stations for eith sensors or 250 Kg bombs, has only got 6 underwing stations compared to 8 for the Typhoon & no wingtip stations. This limits the diversity of its loadouts IMO quite severely.

Double and triple racks are common

The bigger issue is thrust and aerodynamic characters.. typhoon is better with better dry thrust

 

[ziaulislam]

Like modi said use clouds to hide.

US navy tested these dazzlings cameos around ww2 if i m not mistake, but with better electronics these became obsolete pretty quick.

As most people thats for flying low and close to terrain what happenes when these birds are at normal altitude

At normal attitude the spotting from below will still not be an issue as cameo is on top only

The cameo is obviously best suited for low flying

 

[Yasser76]

I think comparisons with Typhoon are misplaced. Typhoon was mean to be a heavy multi role fighter to replace several types in both air defence and strike roles. J-10 seems to be an air superiority fighter with secondry attack ability in medium catagory. A comparison with PAF Block 52 would be more fair I think. In air superiority it's load compares will with F-16.

J-35 is a real heavy fighter, with performance similar to Typhoon but added benefit of stealth. I would bet on that jet against anything bar a F-22

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I think comparisons with Typhoon are misplaced. Typhoon was mean to be a heavy multi role fighter to replace several types in both air defence and strike roles. J-10 seems to be an air superiority fighter with secondry attack ability in medium catagory. A comparison with PAF Block 52 would be more fair I think. In air superiority it's load compares will with F-16.

J-35 is a real heavy fighter, with performance similar to Typhoon but added benefit of stealth. I would bet on that jet against anything bar a F-22

No you're wrong, Typhoon is also stand in medium weight category

And J35 is also medium weight jet whereas J-20 stand in heavy weight category similar to F-22/F35 medium/heavy weight (high/low) combo