PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

There is no reason Meteor cannot be lofted like others. In fact I think in higher altitude its intake will generate a better body lift.

Excessive Drag is also problem for the meteor from its intake, whereas PL15 has not that problem

 

[Yommie]

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I dig this paint scheme.

 

[Oscar]

There is no reason Meteor cannot be lofted like others. In fact I think in higher altitude its intake will generate a better body lift.

It excels at higher altitudes - but it doesn’t use a loft trajectory based on my searches.

 

[Oscar]

PAF 15s are not E models. E models were launched after a year and a half post swift Retort. PAF 15s fall between PLAAF 15s and export E models.

A word on Zilzaal 2 has it that j10CP owned EF in 4 out of 6 bvr engagements. Radar and EWMS are top class. This thing vanishes of the radar scope and RWR like nothing.

The first few in inventory (delivered post haste) are rumored to be direct from batch meant for PLAAF.

There aren’t cheap though and the PAF is paying and arm and a leg(probably rightly so) for them.

 

[TopGun786]

The first few in inventory (delivered post haste) are rumored to be direct from batch meant for PLAAF.

There aren’t cheap though and the PAF is paying and arm and a leg(probably rightly so) for them.

I have read it so many times that some PL-15s were delivered to PAF post Indian strikes in Feb 2019 but couldn't find any source.

 

[Be dazzled]

I have read it so many times that some PL-15s were delivered to PAF post Indian strikes in Feb 2019 but couldn't find any source.

It's true. Several sources have confirmed this. These bvrs are as expensive as they are capable. PLAAF and PLAN can afford them in numbers but countries having scaled economies hardly can.

That's y we don't see these on blk 3s, despite these already integrated.

@Oscar
Someone "somewhere" said that PAF higher ups insisted on getting the PLAAF versions all the way at discounts but we're refused the latter.

Even the revised sd10As are pretty much analogous with AMRAAM C5s. We've mastered the tech so we can make as many as we need and budget allows, some for exports. Some ME countries are interested in our BVRs.

Hint; forces lacking adequate bvr weapons.

 

[m52k85]

AAM ranges vary depending upon the launch parameters, such as altitude and speed of the aircraft while firing these off, as well as the vector and speed of the target they are shooting. No way to qualify the 150 or 200km ranges without other data points.

Yes sir, that is correct, assuming standard parameters when quoting max-range: head-on max range (separation between launch aircraft and target) at co-altitude (30k though I've heard Russians like to use a higher altitude to inflate their numbers), no reactive manoeuvring by the target craft. I believe that is the parameter thrown around for comparison in the non-professional world. That's the best we can work with.

 

[m52k85]

It's true. Several sources have confirmed this. These bvrs are as expensive as they are capable. PLAAF and PLAN can afford them in numbers but countries having scaled economies hardly can.

That's y we don't see these on blk 3s, despite these already integrated.

@Oscar
Someone "somewhere" said that PAF higher ups insisted on getting the PLAAF versions all the way at discounts but we're refused the latter.

Even the revised sd10As are pretty much analogous with AMRAAM C5s. We've mastered the tech so we can make as many as we need and budget allows, some for exports. Some ME countries are interested in our BVRs.

Hint; forces lacking adequate bvr weapons.

Are you @dazzler from the old pdf?

 

[Be dazzled]

Are you @dazzler from the old pdf?

Affirmative

 

[Oscar]

It's true. Several sources have confirmed this. These bvrs are as expensive as they are capable. PLAAF and PLAN can afford them in numbers but countries having scaled economies hardly can.

That's y we don't see these on blk 3s, despite these already integrated.

@Oscar
Someone "somewhere" said that PAF higher ups insisted on getting the PLAAF versions all the way at discounts but we're refused the latter.

Even the revised sd10As are pretty much analogous with AMRAAM C5s. We've mastered the tech so we can make as many as we need and budget allows, some for exports. Some ME countries are interested in our BVRs.

Hint; forces lacking adequate bvr weapons.

Makes you chuckle when you read self appointed Bhakt-perts talking to the PL-15 not having HOJ.

 

[hussain0216]

We've mastered the tech so we can make as many as we need and budget allows, some for exports. Some ME countries are interested in our BVRs.

Which BVR's are you taking about?

 

[Readerdefence]

Yep I understand, but the EU is a lot more open, and Meteor has a few users now, so info is bound to leak, and we see it now, 200 km seem to be a reasonable thing to posit, my question is how can PAF say they have 150km missile that counters a 200 km Meteor, they should atleast be saying we have a 200 km Pl-15, but so far we havent seen such info.

Hi
thanks for your reply for Meteor range, though
let me assure you about one & the only thing
which is let’s say PL15E is around 140/150 & Meteor is around 170/even 200 what os your say
about Chinese tactics against America missiles
you think China will provide PAF J10c which been
exported first time out of China to a foreign airforce & IAF will bring it down with Meteor missile not on skill basis
I am sure PAF & PLAAF must have taken this under consideration against Rafale, so either the range of PL15 is more in hands of PAF or Meteor range is just a hype created syndrome
thank you

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Be dazzled]

Makes you chuckle when you read self appointed Bhakt-perts talking to the PL-15 not having HOJ.

It's the case of "Prasun Gupta syndrome" like "PA VT4s have 900hp engines unlike other VT4 customers having 1300hp engines".

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Expected. Typhoon is a pretty old design dating to the 1980s. J-10C is a new beast.

Lol where is ef2000 is 80s design, its development complete in late 90s-2000, your J10 project was also started in early 80s