PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[rafale]

AFAIK Project Horizon was to get Erieye to push data to Link-17 and then that onto ground station pushing it with crypto onto J series messages.

There is no evidence that the Erieye had a MIDS terminal installed but then keep in mind that Pakistan has always purchased EXTRA Terminals which people have assumed are spares for F-16s instead of thinking where else would the MIDS be installed.

As per current setup,

Can ERIEYE be used to guide AIM120 via Link 16 all the way up to the target without using on board radar for mid course updates?

Can ERIEYE via ground station Link 17 adaptors be used to guide PL12/15 all the way up to the target without using on board radar for mid course updates?

Can ground based radars (combination of US/Chinese) and Radars of HQ9BE/P systems be also used in similar fashion?

Like currently what state is PAF networked datalinks integrated?

 

[gusto]

Hi,

I am still alive & kicking---. So---please do not give me the credit---.

That was " my doctrine " posted on this forum about 10 to 15 years ago that the PAF adapted which actually came about from one his works of fiction by Dale Brown in the late 90's early 2000.

we did miss you. please reduce the gaps between your posts.

sane and audacious voices are already scarce here.

those with 0 knowledge or "number game" guys are creeping through the forum, taking it over, compromising its value and worth.

i would also request other knowledgeable people to take an active part in posting from their experience, observation and years of knowledge in this forum.

these newbees are desperate but need to learn and grow to be reasonable while posting, instead of throwing whatever comes to their fingertips.

 

[gusto]

its excellent but f 16 is f16

you are so very correct. F-16 will be a legend.

probabaly we won't be alive to see, but this aircraft will be discussed for decades to come.

i doubt J-10 will be. although i praise it so much.

 

[Ali Yusuf]

Hi,

I am still alive & kicking---. So---please do not give me the credit---.

That was " my doctrine " posted on this forum about 10 to 15 years ago that the PAF adapted which actually came about from one his works of fiction by Dale Brown in the late 90's early 2000.

Great to see a post from you after such a long gap.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Good to hear from u sir.

 

[Pagal khaana]

Hi,

I am still alive & kicking---. So---please do not give me the credit---.

That was " my doctrine " posted on this forum about 10 to 15 years ago that the PAF adapted which actually came about from one his works of fiction by Dale Brown in the late 90's early 2000.

Hello sir, after long pause....

 

[Oscar]

As per current setup,

Can ERIEYE be used to guide AIM120 via Link 16 all the way up to the target without using on board radar for mid course updates?

Can ERIEYE via ground station Link 17 adaptors be used to guide PL12/15 all the way up to the target without using on board radar for mid course updates?

Can ground based radars (combination of US/Chinese) and Radars of HQ9BE/P systems be also used in similar fashion?

Like currently what state is PAF networked datalinks integrated?

No
No
No
All 4th gen jets are datalinked and every jet talks on encrypted comms(even if I am not too fond of the R&S kit)

 

[abcefg]

No
No
No
All 4th gen jets are datalinked and every jet talks on encrypted comms(even if I am not too fond of the R&S kit)

I wonder what you know about that made you write poor about my former employer. Can you suggest a single better alternative? The Chinese, pfft ,I’ve seen better reception from a tin can phone.

 

[White Privilege]

Yup, all BVRs of PAF. Now doing CCS on J-10.

Do we even have enough J-10s to spare for a detachment for CCS? Plus there has been no indication in public that J-10 has been inducted into the CCS...

 

[AeronautIR]

Do we even have enough J-10s to spare for a detachment for CCS? Plus there has been no indication in public that J-10 has been inducted into the CCS...

A dedicated J10 unit in CCS has not been raised yet if that is what you are asking. But J10 flies regularly in CCS missions since 2023. This is the first course with 15 sqn pilots as trainees.

 

[rafale]

No
No
No
All 4th gen jets are datalinked and every jet talks on encrypted comms(even if I am not too fond of the R&S kit)

Then how is mid course guidance provided? Via launch aircraft radar?

 

[Oscar]

I wonder what you know about that made you write poor about my former employer. Can you suggest a single better alternative? The Chinese, pfft ,I’ve seen better reception from a tin can phone.

Personally Testing it against Harris, Aselsan and others on their SDR product- but yes better than a Chinese options.
But it is old reservations that may not be valid 15 years later.

 

[Oscar]

Then how is mid course guidance provided? Via launch aircraft radar?

Yes - or passed through D/L data.
Keep in mind you don’t need to have Erieye communicate directly with PL-15 type systems - J-10 stiches data on its own and provides it as updates.
Aim-120 is reliant solely on F-16 radar and so is SD-10.

 

[rafale]

Yes - or passed through D/L data.
Keep in mind you don’t need to have Erieye communicate directly with PL-15 type systems - J-10 stiches data on its own and provides it as updates.
Aim-120 is reliant solely on F-16 radar and so is SD-10.

So it means that J-10 did not turn on their radar during May 7 skirmish is not true? Mid course guidance to PL15s were provided by J-10 radar?

 

[Oscar]

So it means that J-10 did not turn on their radar during May 7 skirmish is not true? Mid course guidance to PL15s were provided by J-10 radar?

Yes
Both sides had radar in play and J-10 TWS can provide enough quality of track to allow guidance of BVR systems. In addition it is possible that J-10 data fusion from all sources can feed into its datalink to the PL-15.