Readerdefence
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Hi
PL15/E might have displayed 145km, is there
anything in black &white with Meteor 200
because I couldn’t find anything around 200
thank you
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PL15/E might have displayed 145km, is there
anything in black &white with Meteor 200
because I couldn’t find anything around 200
thank you
m52k85
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Here:
Gripen E performs first Meteor missile test shot
Saab has performed a successful first test firing of MBDA's Meteor beyond visual-range air-to-air missile from its Gripen E fighter.
www.flightglobal.com
m52k85
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also:
"with range well in excess of 150 kilometres, MBDA also say that the no-escape zone of over 60 km is largest among air-to-air missiles"
The Meteor Missile - A Guide
Meteor is a 'Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile' system developed by MBDA.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
So Im wondering how a 150 km Pl-15E outranges the Meteor. There was some discussion with some solid evidence from Chinese sources that reconciled the Pl-15 with the Pl-15E but sadly that has been lost to the old PDF, that's why I was asking what the consensus was on the comparative ranges and the whole outsticking the IAF business.
Dreamer
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These sort of details mostly fall in the secretive zone. Air forces like PAF (and even PLAAF) would probably like to keep the actual range or NEZ etc. confidential. So it would be hard for you to find truly reliable info.also:
"with range well in excess of 150 kilometres, MBDA also say that the no-escape zone of over 60 km is largest among air-to-air missiles"
The Meteor Missile - A Guide
Meteor is a 'Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile' system developed by MBDA.
So Im wondering how a 150 km Pl-15E outranges the Meteor. There was some discussion with some solid evidence from Chinese sources that reconciled the Pl-15 with the Pl-15E but sadly that has been lost to the old PDF, that's why I was asking what the consensus was on the comparative ranges and the whole outsticking the IAF business.
m52k85
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m52k85
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Yep I understand, but the EU is a lot more open, and Meteor has a few users now, so info is bound to leak, and we see it now, 200 km seem to be a reasonable thing to posit, my question is how can PAF say they have 150km missile that counters a 200 km Meteor, they should atleast be saying we have a 200 km Pl-15, but so far we havent seen such info.
Dreamer
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They don't necessarily need to do that. Every single fighting force in the world overstates some of their capabilities and understate some other capabilities. And then some that they like to keep ambiguous.
In that sense, any claim that PAF can outstick IAF may be true or it may not. It can only really be known when they actually come face to face in combat.
Be dazzled
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PAF 15s are not E models. E models were launched after a year and a half post swift Retort. PAF 15s fall between PLAAF 15s and export E models.
A word on Zilzaal 2 has it that j10CP owned EF in 4 out of 6 bvr engagements. Radar and EWMS are top class. This thing vanishes of the radar scope and RWR like nothing.
A word on Zilzaal 2 has it that j10CP owned EF in 4 out of 6 bvr engagements. Radar and EWMS are top class. This thing vanishes of the radar scope and RWR like nothing.
GriffinsRule
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AAM ranges vary depending upon the launch parameters, such as altitude and speed of the aircraft while firing these off, as well as the vector and speed of the target they are shooting. No way to qualify the 150 or 200km ranges without other data points.
Falcon26
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There’s simply no way this guy would know any classified performance of the PL-15 BVR missiles. It’s a complete conjuncture and people should stop giving credence to these social media posts by unknown people.
Oscar
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Like why the SD-10 has HoJ in service now with PAF and why the PL-15 wont? Typical hawai fire of X Twats to keep their own bubble happy
Although, the altitude and the launching platform's speed substantially effect the kinematic performance of BVR weapons, in general Meteor is stated to have the largest NEZ of all BVR missiles thanks to its unique solid fuel throttleable hybrid ramjet propulsion.
Russia, China & India are all developing similar technologies.
Presumably Russian K-77ME (izdeliye 180-BD)
Indian SFDR.
There is no image of PL-21 publicly available. But it is expected to have similar 'Ramjet' propulsion.
Russia, China & India are all developing similar technologies.
Presumably Russian K-77ME (izdeliye 180-BD)
Indian SFDR.
There is no image of PL-21 publicly available. But it is expected to have similar 'Ramjet' propulsion.
Oscar
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The only problem meteor faces is that its NEZ has a great bell curve all the way until it doesn't. Because that heavy Ramjet adds massive drag especially at low level so while it can chase things down; once that ramjet shuts off it's energy drops exponentially faster than other systems.
Compared to lofting systems like the AMRAAM and other solid propellant types that follow parabolic loft arcs it has to follow more or less of a straight line path.
There is no reason Meteor cannot be lofted like others. In fact I think in higher altitude its intake will generate a better body lift.
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