PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Ali Yusuf]

Dear sir, you are nobody, I m not answerable to you, mind you own business. When time will come, the same will be proved anyhow...

Then you should not have replied with "Already ........................ Here" and should have let time reveal the reality.

 

[RajaBaja]

I doubt the 1000km surveillance range......at that much range out, the curvature of earth gives serious problems on extremely high frequency waves of the modern AESA radars.........

I think every other post I've done on the subject says "OTH". I would recommend you read up on OTH radars, especially their VLO and VHF spectrums and their differences and what are they used for. I have some background in this area. Others may not fully grasp it.

Secondly, I read some arguments on radar range. One thing to remember, as I don't think PL-15 example has made us realize, NO weapon system's actual specs will be put on TV. Whether BBC, CNN, China or Pakistan tv.

Lastly, also remember, US, China, Russia, France, ALL use the same principle, capability downgrade when selling to foreign nations. US works in 3 tier format after making a platform for itself. Tier I: Israel & Japan. Tier II: NATO and Taiwan. Tier III: Rest like Pakistan. Now take this example and think if we get an F-16 V, it's radar's range was reduced per our tier to say 200 KM. That means, the US operational aircraft's radar must be around 40% more to have these three tiers they can downgrade. Just using common sense, that means near 280-300 KM.

Same with China and KLJ, if we are getting a 650-700 KM range, it's total advance sensor suite must be at a minimum 30-40% more. That takes it to 850-950+ km.

 

[Deino]

Dear sir, you are nobody, I m not answerable to you, mind you own business. When time will come, the same will be proved anyhow...

So you too are one Of the typical, stupid fan-boy braggarts who first spread wild claims, then react dismissively or arrogantly to questions to prove it and in the end disappear again without further events... just like the idiots who firmly claimed that J-35A would be delivered at the beginning of August...

 

[Hendarto]

Now this move, I support wholeheartedly. I doubt that China will support J-35 acquisition by Pakistan, too many loose ends

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[Ak01]

I doubt the 1000km surveillance range......at that much range out, the curvature of earth gives serious problems on extremely high frequency waves of the modern AESA radars.........

i wouldnt take much hes saying seriously.

 

[Ak01]

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you should read about the context of which the 450km figure was cited...

Lets just use our brains here and pretend the erieye er has a 500km range. thats a 1.7x improvement over erieye?

So erieye range is...290km.

does that sound right or logical to you?


heres an actual saab graphic, of detection ranges for the S340.

You can do the math now, if for argus, fighter detection range is about 375km, a 70% increase would be 630ish km...

 

[Fatman17]

Exclusive Report: How did Pakistan’s J-10C fighter jet using China’s PL-15 missile destroy India’s Rafale?​

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[Ak01]

So yesterday when I presented similar logic, show casing why ranges could further exceed 650-800+ KM or to even a 1000 KM, you kept writing one liners mocking and discrediting my post.

I told you to go google this topic and learn. Today, after some home work, you posted a similar post with Erieye showing at 650 KM, and a picture similar to mine with radar waves traveling over earth's curvature.

Good to see you took my advise and did some homework. But why discredit others posts when the next day you say the same thing? But regardless, good to see you did some homework today.

Secondly, it may be hard for those who don't have a background in this are, but the big deal about "earth's curvature" is no longer relevant especially when using current gen AEW radars with specific technology, or, certain other OTH solutions. There are radars that can track targets from 3000-5000 kilometers away.

Here is an excerpt for the F-35's radar. F-35 is a fighter jet while Erieye and KJ-500, etc, are specialized radar jets. They can improve the tech to go above 1000 kilometers easily compared to a fighter jet. And the assumption is, in their internal versions, that's the range. Export ranges are 30-40% below.

The F-35 radar system, specifically the AN/APG-81 AESA radar, has a detection range that can exceed 800 kilometers under optimal conditions.

Radar Capabilities

• Type: AN/APG-81 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar.
• Detection Range: Capable of detecting targets at significant distances, potentially over 800 kilometers, depending on factors like target size, altitude, and environmental conditions.

again more ai dribbel.

your nonsense post was nothing alike what i was talking about.

 

[Deino]

@Fatman17 ... can we come back and then stick to the topic please?

By the way, does anyone know more about this or his reply?

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[RajaBaja]

again more ai dribbel.

your nonsense post was nothing alike what i was talking about.

One word for you is always "learn". I don't write AI. I have enough practical experience. Always educate yourself vs. misdirecting posts, discrediting yourself and trying to bullsh8 your way through science based facts.

 

[Metal 0-1]

One word for you is always "learn". I don't write AI. I have enough practical experience. Always educate yourself vs. misdirecting posts, discrediting yourself and trying to bullsh8 your way through science based facts.

Practical Experience; Would you mind explaining us what is optimal time space chart for Radar's Track While Scan mode Logic Code? Is it going to big O of 0 or big O of 1

 

[RajaBaja]

Now this move, I support wholeheartedly. I doubt that China will support J-35 acquisition by Pakistan, too many loose ends

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I agree with you 100%. Ideal replacement for the Mirages, is the J-10C in numbers. Our force would look something like this:

J-10C's: 60 (or ideally 80)
JF-17: 180 (Block II, III's, ALL MUST have KLJ AESA with PL-15 integrated.
F-16's: 45 Older units upgraded on Murad AESA with Gokhan / Gokbora / Bozdogan combination.

Total tier I, front line fighters: 285 (to near 300+ if 80 J-10c's purchsed).

F-16's block 52 to V standard: 18 Jets for tier II air defense
J-35 or 5th gen: 40-60 for the next few years.

Eventually, we are looking at 350-400 Jets including 5th gen. That's some serious force to deal with.

 

[Fatman17]

Stay on the topic please which is J-10CE news

 

[Starlord]

Whats the delay in getting another J-10CE sq ? money ? cause J-10CE definitely proven it worth in recent Air battle so why are we not ordering another sq? or its on hold? or delayed ? or same old money issues?

 

[Fatman17]

You guys want to discuss Erieye go to the AWACS thread please