PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[RealNapster]

Come on guys, we can get 1 more sq of J-10CE with more PL-15's, J-35's are not coming any time soon.

There are people on this forum who thinks that (20 J-10C and 40 J-35) are better than lets say 64 J-10C. We are gradually becoming IAF. Too many platforms. But atleast India have them in numbers. We will habe each in less than 50 per type.

 

[mythbuster]

Good point, but they would need refullers and support aircraft and not all their force would be 5th gen. Massive assumption I making though...

It's not an assumption, it's a fact.... besides , Pakistan has an advantage in ' reach envelope ' ...

 

[Aziqbal]

Could a J-35AE fit into one of those hangers ?

possibly but those hangers are for J10CP my family lives on GT road and the 8ft wall became at 16ft wall in 2022 at Kamra and no part of the runway is now visible at all

prior to J10CP less trees and vegetation allowed some areas of the base to be seen opening existed

after J10CP Kamras exposure is almost 100% gone I even had steak at the officers club with a friend prior to J10CP arriving but no one outside the base is allowed in now

thats how seriously they took the J10CP they knew this was a top their aircraft the security went from say 60-70% to 99%

now if they get J35AE a 5th generation fighter I can only image how tight things are going to be and maybe after Iran war they actually might build under ground shelters of J35AE

when F16s were stationed in Kamra against Soviet Union in 1980s you could go onto the base easily even after first F16 arrived, when F16 got kills on Soviet/Afghan fighters the base gunners would fire in the air in celebrations and locals would come together

but when it comes to Chinese fighter jets totally different protocol

please note: no sensitive information was given here I know the rules

 

[kimjongun]

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Its literal outerwall is made of Bricks and even a small diameter bomb could go through it with ease.. I bet the last time PAF built a HAS were when Mirages arrived..Aur yahan ke "esteemed members" think of Putting a highly expensive and delicate J35 which probably needs temperature controlled enviroment in this panah gah....

 

[Ibbi32]

If anything this goes to show the massive shortage of J-10/J-35 level aircraft we have.
Great news though that we were confident enough to do this operation. Israelis do not know J-10C or PL-15 so must have put them off for sure. However 20 planes is far to few...

Isrealis know extensively about j-10 itself but not the C version

 

[Deino]

Isrealis know extensively about j-10 itself but not the C version

Care to explain where from?

 

[Ibbi32]

Care to explain where from?

Talking particularly about the period of millitary cooperation between Israel and china in 1990s and technology sharing including Lavi

 

[Tom_Cruise]

apologies if its has it been posted before?

beautiful photo of J10CP during sunset

a really stunning aircraft

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Looks like DCS

 

[Oscar]

ok I would not take what someone else said to you in another thread so personally and use that as a template to always distance yourself from any observations on Pakistan

people say things its done its said

Unfortunately some people cannot take being called out for posting unverified authoritative statements.

 

[Starlord]

There are people on this forum who thinks that (20 J-10C and 40 J-35) are better than lets say 64 J-10C. We are gradually becoming IAF. Too many platforms. But atleast India have them in numbers. We will habe each in less than 50 per type.

That what i fear too, we already have F-7PG's and old Mirages to replace, i am surprised that PAF only went for 20 J-10CE's, its not even 2 full sqs.

 

[Reichmarshal]

I’ve said this many times before, Pakistan’s generals tend to be extremely pragmatic. They operate within the expectations set by the powers they rely on, fulfill the roles assigned to them, and eventually settle into comfortable post‑retirement lives abroad, and usually in the US, UK, or Australia. Many analysts argue that the idea of a Pakistan–Saudi defense framework was originally shaped in Washington, with the broader goal of nudging Pakistan toward the Abraham Accords under Saudi supervision and increasing pressure on Iran.

According to some observers, there’s also a narrative circulating that if Pakistan were to offer the United States a permanent military presence on its soil, Washington might consider easing restrictions and allowing Pakistan access to more advanced defence equipment. China, however, is reportedly wary of this possibility because of its deep investments and strategic footprint in Pakistan.

That the sort of BS being paddled by every idiot who have their own axes to grind with zero knowledge of the workings of Pakistani armed forces. At the same time, such ppl paddling such BS have little to zero access to the Pakistani armed forces or their personnel.

To put the record straight, the overwhelming majority, more than 90% of the personnel of the Pakistani armed forces, including general rank officers, live and die in Pakistan after retirement.
Pakistan has a huge armed forces, so naturally, some officers decide to move abroad like the rest of the people of Pakistan. But that in no way means that all or the majority move n live overseas

 

[HH-9A]

Talking particularly about the period of millitary cooperation between Israel and china in 1990s and technology sharing including Lavi

I’d advise you better not to debate this part of history with Deino, whose enthusiasm for Chinese military aviation started when he throughly studying the J10 development including extensive online debunking that J10 is PSed, a copy of lavi etc.

 

[PakAl]

There are people on this forum who thinks that (20 J-10C and 40 J-35) are better than lets say 64 J-10C. We are gradually becoming IAF. Too many platforms. But atleast India have them in numbers. We will habe each in less than 50 per type.

We currently have:
F16s, J10CEs, Jf17s, F7PGs, Mirages, total 5 platforms but the last 2 are on their way out (most retired). When J35s come F7PGs will retire and more J10CEs and Jf17s will retire Mirages. Total 4 platforms will exist. Paf had no choice but to buy J10CEs since Usa would not upgrade F16s. In the 1990s we had F16s, Mirages, F7s, F6s and Q5s, total 5 platforms.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

That the sort of BS being paddled by every idiot who have their own axes to grind with zero knowledge of the workings of Pakistani armed forces. At the same time, such ppl paddling such BS have little to zero access to the Pakistani armed forces or their personnel.

To put the record straight, the overwhelming majority, more than 90% of the personnel of the Pakistani armed forces, including general rank officers, live and die in Pakistan after retirement.
Pakistan has a huge armed forces, so naturally, some officers decide to move abroad like the rest of the people of Pakistan. But that in no way means that all or the majority move n live overseas

Fair enough, my joke clearly overshot the runway. I’ve actually met Gen. Musharraf, so I should’ve known better than to sound like a YouTube conspiracy uncle. I just exaggerated for humor, not for historical documentation.

 

[Yasser76]

There are people on this forum who thinks that (20 J-10C and 40 J-35) are better than lets say 64 J-10C. We are gradually becoming IAF. Too many platforms. But atleast India have them in numbers. We will habe each in less than 50 per type.

True, however fair to say Mirages and F-7PGs will be retired soon so number of types may stay the same