PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[corven]

In case you don't know, Pakistan's purchase of the J-10C was specially approved by the Chinese government and was so cheap that it was almost unprofitable for the company. Pakistan's order won't incentivize export enthusiasm, but Iran's might.

We can make a bet: China will not export J10CE to Iran. Iran is different from Pakistan and does not involve China's national security.

 

[Raider 21]

That is a false information, or disinformation.

Yes, there were a lot of PAF Officers/Pilots in the UAEAF back in 70's, 80's & 90's.

Those days are looooooong gone.

There are currently some IP's, but that's just about it. Some on the Vipers & some on Trainers.

I don't see why PAF would withdraw them.

None on the Block 60 Vipers (UAE and ITAR restrictions from US didn't allow Pakistanis, the only one they did consider briefly was a British born Pakistani), only a few IPs on basic flight training wing at Al Ain. The last fighter pilots instructors they had left in 2012. Very few are left on civilian contracts with the UAE GHQ, and a few get sent for on deputation (military ranks) to Al Ain to instruct on the PC-7/PC-21 fleet.

 

[Raider 21]

Well, this should be fun.

But, according to...hehehehehehehe...Indian Sources, "China's J-35A Offer to Pakistan Hits Snag Over U.S.-Style Monitoring Demands".

[If anyone wants to SEARCH for the source, just copy the Bold Text & Google it]​

So basically, according to some champion gangu - China is now demanding their own End-User Agreement (similar to the US) regarding its Sales to Pakistan for the J-35.

According to "gangus", no one in the World trusts Pakistan.

My only response to those morons is..., how's the F-35 situation coming along in !ncredible !ndia...?

Kareeb janay ka access mil gaya?

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There is sort of an end user agreement for PAF with the Chinese government but not as the special measures with the US government on F-16s. It is similar to how the Israelis have their F-16 end user agreements with the US....

This is at the maintenance level from what one of the fleet engineers had mentioned, but they are far more relaxed with it than the F-16 fleet.

But definitely nothing close to what the Indian media are talking or barking about .....

 

[PakistaniDefender]

HQ-9B from the start

HQ 9C the latest one

 

[PakAl]

@Musings @Waz
Can you guys please check the non related posts and delete. Peope are debating about Pak afghan relations on j35 thread. Thank you

 

[MastanKhan]

Your opinion is a good perspective. "Made the whole billion plus Chinese nation wake up to the realization that their weapons can do the job---." But I have a different opinion on this sentence.
1. China has a strict procedure for weapon finalization. There will definitely be a finalized live-fire test.
2. After the military accepts it, it will be re-tested with live ammunition. If it fails the test, it will be returned to the R&D unit for re-development.
3. Some friendly countries' military purchases, such as Pakistan, must have been purchased after live ammunition shooting for J10CE and PL15. They are not Indians who are busy taking kickbacks.
4. China's military confrontation with the Americans in the East China Sea and the South China Sea has never stopped. Looking at some of their arguments, we can draw some conclusions. For example, on the budget issue of E7, his Secretary of Defense Hegseth believed that the survival rate of this early warning aircraft in a war against China is very low and should be cancelled---that proves that PL17/21 is an effective weapon. 17 generals jointly opposed Hegseth's approach, believing that they would not be able to deal with the Chinese Air Force's stealth fighters - which in turn proves the reliability of the J20's stealth performance. By the way, we can also conclude that the F35/F22's radar system is far from as effective as they publicly boasted.
Therefore, we are always confident in our weapons. There is no need for an actual battle to test the effectiveness of weapons. They have been affirmed in the shooting range, experienced friends, and enemy evaluations.
An actual battle merely confirmed this fact.

Hi,

Americans are a firm believer of the doctrine " promise less---deliver more " so when Hegseth talks about losses---I will be really really concerned at what the americans have hidden up their sleeve---.

 

[StormBreaker]

you have straight away labelled me which do not suits to any rational people but actually the issue is you dont know a thing about afghan. I can also labelled you e.g its people like you the muslims are divided and fighting each other instead of listening to the other side and understanding their point and then with peaceful dialogue solve the issues like mature people do.

Iss comment pay zara ghaur karna..

Quran 49:10
"The believers are but brothers, so make reconciliation between your brothers and fear Allah that you may receive mercy".

Sahih Muslim (Book 32, Hadith 6220)
"A Muslim is a brother to a Muslim. He should neither deceive him nor lie to him, nor leave him without assistance. Everything belonging to a Muslim is inviolable for another Muslim: his honor, his property, and his blood."

How’s all this related to J-35? You stay with your opinions and I with mine.

The Quranic verse needs to be understood deeply before applying in this context.

Move to a different thread or just stop this convo bro.

Cheers

 

[RajaBaja]

They want to protect their skies in case of Pakistani drone intrusions going after TTP leadership I guess.

Good practice for the PAF anyway, to test innovative ways to neutralise an AD. We should use it as a testing ground.

Its an air defense system........if its fired, it can damage our drones / jets too. All borders are becoming hostile for Pakistan.

 

[RajaBaja]

I want to share a perspective that I believe deserves more attention when we discuss Afghanistan and its relationship with Pakistan. The narrative that Afghanistan is a major problem for us, or that Afghans are inherently anti-Pakistan, is, in my opinion, largely exaggerated and shaped by certain elements within the Pakistani establishment. As someone who has reflected on this issue, I’d like to explain why I believe this perception doesn’t fully reflect reality, especially for those of us living away from the Pak-Afghan border.

Firstly, it’s important to acknowledge that some Afghans harbor resentment toward Pakistan. They feel Pakistan’s historical involvement, such as supporting certain groups during the Soviet-Afghan War and later contributing to the fall of the Najibullah government, has prolonged instability in their country. These grievances are real and rooted in history. However, this does not mean all Afghans, or even most, hate Pakistan. In fact, many Afghans, particularly the Pashtun communities who share deep cultural and ethnic ties with Pakistanis across the border, do not view Pakistan as an enemy. These ties are often overlooked in mainstream narratives.

The current Taliban government in Afghanistan, predominantly Pashtun and rooted in Deobandi ideology, is another key point. While some see them as a threat, I believe they are not inherently hostile to Pakistan. Their Deobandi Islamic ideology emphasizes values that, with sincere and respectful dialogue, could align with a shared interest in peace. The Taliban, like any group, are not a monolith, and I believe they can be convinced to avoid actions that lead to the loss of innocent lives—something their ideology, at its core, does not endorse for the same deobandi pashtoon on this side of border.

The real issue, in my view, is the lack of serious, good-faith dialogue between Pakistan and the Taliban government. Instead of perpetuating a cycle of mistrust, we should engage them constructively. The Pakistani establishment has, at times, fueled a narrative that paints Afghanistan as a dangerous neighbor, but this only deepens divisions and ignores the potential for cooperation. By fostering open communication, we can address mutual concerns, reduce tensions, and work toward stability that benefits both nations.

I urge my fellow Pakistanis, especially those far from the border who may rely on media portrayals, to reconsider the “Afghan threat” narrative. Let’s recognize the shared history, culture, and values that connect us, particularly with the Pashtun people. Let’s push for dialogue over confrontation. Afghanistan is not the problem it’s often made out to be—it’s a neighbor with whom we can build a better future if we approach them with understanding and sincerity.

I'm surprised at how you wrote an article, totally ignoring the fact that we lose security personnel daily because they don't want to control TTP. Because they are using it as a leverage against Pakistan for years. Hundreds of children, men and women in Pakistan killed due to terrorism coming from Afghanistan? How did you ignore all that?

I've had sittings with Afghans. Recently and all the way back in my college days. Nothing has changed, they HATE us. They think every bad thing that has happened to their country is because Pakistan. The narrative is so thick and dense, that one feels like hitting their head against the wall. There is no two ways around it. We've also seen them align with everything anti-Pakistani across the globe with India.

 

[RajaBaja]

HQ 9C the latest one

We should've just moved to HQ-19 and included the ABM capability. That would've taken care of the Brahmos issue. And on LOMAD, we need to localize and mass produce a NASAM like system. I was hoping FAAZ-2 will work for this. Mass production and employment on all 3 borders will create a proper AD in redundant tiers.

 

[RajaBaja]

In case you don't know, Pakistan's purchase of the J-10C was specially approved by the Chinese government and was so cheap that it was almost unprofitable for the company. Pakistan's order won't incentivize export enthusiasm, but Iran's might.

I agree with you 100%. Similar stuff happened on J-35 situation too. Pakistan and China share a bond that other nations don't have. Iron Brothers!

 

[RajaBaja]

You have a misunderstanding about China.
America's alliances are based on providing security protection to allied nations. If the United States withdraws the security protection for these countries, the alliance will no longer exist. The key issue is that most of the costs of the security protection provided by the United States are borne by the Americans themselves. This alliance is unsustainable. China will not do such a thing as bearing its own military expenses and letting its citizens bleed for the security of other countries.
China only cares about its own development and the improvement of living standards in China. Our One Belt One Road initiative is just to avoid the dependence of trade on a single country, while also having the desire for common prosperity for developing countries. The purpose of China's trade is to obtain materials to maintain the normal operation of our society through exchange, and China is not interested in expanding its influence abroad.
Therefore, China will only focus on the security of the areas surrounding China. It will not engage in global expansion or compete with the United States for sphere of influence. China only wants to quickly improve its scientific and technological level and military strength in order to better defend China's territorial integrity and national security. China's military industry system, as a wholly-owned state-owned enterprise, will only serve this strategic goal. For some national security purposes or diplomatic needs, some military equipment may be sold to friendly countries. Profit is not the main purpose.
For example, arms sales to Egypt are more about showing that China is a friend of Egypt and meeting some of Egypt’s security needs to facilitate the maintenance of China’s local commercial interests. That's all. Therefore, this kind of arms sale is not for the purpose of profit at all, but is more driven by commercial and diplomatic needs.

I don't have any misunderstanding about China. You are right, currently, China needs to achieve parity with the US in terms of GDP (local). At that time, we'll see China start to expand its wings more. Its difficult right now because when you are an export oriented nation, you have to consider the world. But if your GDP can grow above exports internally like the US/UK, etc. Then you project power.

So China is ensuring its economic growth while creating state of the art military technologies. When it reaches parity in GDP's case, and will only have the US left in technology parity of military tech, you'll have a true multi-polar world with two super powers.

 

[StormBreaker]

Its an air defense system........if its fired, it can damage our drones / jets too. All borders are becoming hostile for Pakistan.

I don’t think China would ever sell an air defense system to Afghanistan unless it’s operated by PLA soldiers.

During wartime and on 10th May, Our entire airbases were probably emptied preemptively and jets might’ve been flying closer to the western border, away from Indian radar radius.

Any installation of Air defense systems in afghanistan would result in active intel sharing to india wrt our movements.

China would never do that. Russia could.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

I think J-35 production would follow J-20 pattern. First couple of years, around 50 units per year, then to 100 and more. By 2027-2028, we'd see 300 J-35's produced IMO and then jump to 100/+ per year. Even manufacturing lines require tweaking the process and upgrades just like we saw in J-20's production.

I don’t make statements without understanding Chinese development and production history.

Here is Development & Production Timeline

• Late 1990s: J-XX program initiated, leading to the J-20 concept.
• December 2010: First prototype underwent high-speed taxiing tests.
• January 2011: Maiden flight of the first J-20 prototype.
• March 2017: J-20 officially entered service with the PLAAF.
• October 2017: Design finalized and mass production began A.
• February 2018: First combat unit declared operational A.

J-20 production has seen a gradual but steady acceleration. Initially limited in output, the rate recently doubled from 4 to 8 aircraft per month, highlighting a maturing production line and increasing demand. The J-35 is expected to follow a similar trajectory beginning modestly, with incremental expansion as its design and production systems stabilize.

 

[corven]

Hi,

Americans are a firm believer of the doctrine " promise less---deliver more " so when Hegseth talks about losses---I will be really really concerned at what the americans have hidden up their sleeve---.

U.S. Cancels Vital E-7 ‘Flying Radar’ Program Needed to Track Chinese Stealth Planes

U.S. Secretary of Defence Pete Hegseth has confirmed that plans for the procurement of E-7 Wedgetail early warning and control (AEW&C) systems for the U.S. Air Force has

militarywatchmagazine.com

I am just quoting the report. Like you, I disagree with the report.