PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Michael]

is there a J-35 vs KAAN comparison thread? if there is then do advise I will move that question there.

If you enjoy watching online flame wars, you might want to try initiating a discussion comparing these two subjects.

In reality, however, the two are completely incomparable. They are two entirely different types of fighter jets. Comparing them is pointless except for sparking a war of words.

 

[Shui]

Range / persistence time mostly - Kaan is a heavy that can comfortably go to places like Mumbai and it can do large payloads ?

5G shouldn't be doing that nor capable of doing such mission, flying over pretty well defended enemy's capital, F35 were oven Terhan when most AD destroyed but still almost shot down by SHORAD, and India is at least more defended than Iran.

 

[maverick]

Boys! Excitement is building to see J35 in Pakistani flag.... its one hell of a beast, and giving it a contrast with green flag, with crescent moon and a star.......... that will make it a beast of a different category...

 

[HH-9A]

Range / persistence time mostly - Kaan is a heavy that can comfortably go to places like Mumbai and it can do large payloads ?

Turkey itself is not ideological enough to rely on KAAN, so realistically EF2000/typhoon, a platform no better than IAF’s current Rafale, has been selected to defend turkey in foreseeable future.

Therefore, I would pay little attention to lip service but watch how people spend their money to judge how true are their words. Typhoon certainly can’t go Mumbai comfortably, let alone a “heavy “ fighter only on paper.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If you enjoy watching online flame wars, you might want to try initiating a discussion comparing these two subjects.

In reality, however, the two are completely incomparable. They are two entirely different types of fighter jets. Comparing them is pointless except for sparking a war of words.

if they are for different roles.. then it makes sense for someone with sufficient funds to have them both.
just like any airforce has a mix of jets that fill a specific role they excel and have some overlapping supporting roles.
multi role, strike, air superiority , SEAD?

intent is not a dick measure but realistic insight how a country with limited defence budget (17% .. not 70% as some Butt hurt aholes claim) has to spread in all three branches navy airforce and army.

 

[Yasser76]

My sense is now the J-35 buy will probably be expidited quite quickly. So much has happened geopolitically and post peace deal the security architecture of Middle East will look radically different. Pakistan will play a major role and thus, by default, so will China.

J-35s and HQ-19s will be at the core of any real detterence against Israel now.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistan might even acquire the J-35 even India wouldn't settle the Su-57 agreement with Russia.

Don't indulge too much in the past victory, and India is seeking for revenge.

Absolutely true.

they will target transport. passenger, surveillance and any unarmed slow plane to avenge their humiliation.

they might set their own ambush as well to score just one F16 or J10..
so we have to Absolutely concentrate on training and preparing for next war.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I can give you a layman's take on this ! KAAN is a long term project , claims aside , it's still evolving.....it may ultimately evolve into 6th generation fighter....the real charm lies in co-production.

thanks for Your post.
both jets have fo be different but complimenting each other to support the net centric doctrine of the PAF.
so i willclass KAAN as a pioedream and concept for now.

 

[mythbuster]

My sense is now the J-35 buy will probably be expidited quite quickly. So much has happened geopolitically and post peace deal the security architecture of Middle East will look radically different. Pakistan will play a major role and thus, by default, so will China.

J-35s and HQ-19s will be at the core of any real detterence against Israel now.

Yes sir , as I have been saying repeatedly ! Middle east is going to be pax pakia ..all these countries including Iran will find solace under our wings... China, off course , is our brother in arms ..we are in it together.

 

[Aziqbal]

Turkey itself is not ideological enough to rely on KAAN, so realistically EF2000/typhoon, a platform no better than IAF’s current Rafale, has been selected to defend turkey in foreseeable future.

Therefore, I would pay little attention to lip service but watch how people spend their money to judge how true are their words. Typhoon certainly can’t go Mumbai comfortably, let alone a “heavy “ fighter only on paper.

I just cant see Pakistan buying KAAN and J35AE its either one or the other

I can only see J35AE due to sensor and technology integration into the current Chinese systems we have

 

[Michael]

if they are for different roles.. then it makes sense for someone with sufficient funds to have them both.
just like any airforce has a mix of jets that fill a specific role they excel and have some overlapping supporting roles.
multi role, strike, air superiority , SEAD?

intent is not a dick measure but realistic insight how a country with limited defence budget (17% .. not 70% as some Butt hurt aholes claim) has to spread in all three branches navy airforce and army.

I will not offer an assessment of the KAAN fighter jet (doing so would merely spark a great deal of pointless debate).

The J-35 series of fighter jets is fundamentally designed around a concept of system warfare.

Simply put, this means it relies heavily on a national-level air combat command and support system. Many of its operational capabilities do not reside within the aircraft itself, but are instead derived from external support systems. Furthermore, certain capabilities inherent to the aircraft function as integral nodes within this broader operational network.

Should the PAF acquire the FC-31/J-35, these specific functionalities will undergo modification.

Specifically, certain systems originally intended for external system-level support will be integrated directly into the FC-31/J-35 airframe, while certain capabilities originally designed to function as robust network nodes will be removed. (The specific scope of revisions is entirely based on PAF's requirements.)

Of course, were the PAF able to expend substantial financial resources within a relatively short timeframe to establish a comprehensive national air combat command and support system of its own, such modifications might prove unnecessary. However, this scenario appears to be rather unrealistic.

 

[mythbuster]

I will not offer an assessment of the KAAN fighter jet (doing so would merely spark a great deal of pointless debate).

The J-35 series of fighter jets is fundamentally designed around a concept of system warfare.

Simply put, this means it relies heavily on a national-level air combat command and support system. Many of its operational capabilities do not reside within the aircraft itself, but are instead derived from external support systems. Furthermore, certain capabilities inherent to the aircraft function as integral nodes within this broader operational network.

Should the PAF acquire the FC-31/J-35, these specific functionalities will undergo modification.

Specifically, certain systems originally intended for external system-level support will be integrated directly into the FC-31/J-35 airframe, while certain capabilities originally designed to function as robust network nodes will be removed. (The specific scope of revisions is entirely based on PAF's requirements.)

Of course, were the PAF able to expend substantial financial resources within a relatively short timeframe to establish a comprehensive national air combat command and support system of its own, such modifications might prove unnecessary. However, this scenario appears to be rather unrealistic.

What are you blabbering about ? " Comprehensive command and control system of its own " ...wth that means ? ...do you think PAF is running without a comprehensive command system ?

 

[MH.Yang]

Range / persistence time mostly - Kaan is a heavy that can comfortably go to places like Mumbai and it can do large payloads ?

Range / persistence time mostly - Kaan is a heavy that can comfortably go to places like Mumbai and it can do large payloads ?

Mumbai is very close to Pakistan. Instead of using expensive KAAN and more expensive pilots to attack Mumbai, it is better to consider China's long-range rocket artillery. For example, PHL-191， Range of 600km.

 

[Oscar]

What are you blabbering about ? " Comprehensive command and control system of its own " ...wth that means ? ...do you think PAF is running without a comprehensive command system ?

Keep in mind that many Chinese Netizens have absolutely zero context on what the PAF is and is not capable of or systems wise and assume it is another Sudan.
Partially also due to lack of information within their own circles and echo chamber impact.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Mumbai is very close to Pakistan. Instead of using expensive KAAN and more expensive pilots to attack Mumbai, it is better to consider China's long-range rocket artillery. For example, PHL-191， Range of 600km.

Additionally, fleet diversity(and weapons diversity) is another advantage since the PAF with the J10CE/JF17/J-35AE will become a pure Chinese origin air force. The PAF wants to maintain training links with NATO, and USA and the Kaan can allow for that interactivity in the future.