PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[RealNapster]

WE Pakistanis will have to wait. I don’t think J35 will be delivered next years . Chinas piority is its navy’s fujian aircraft carrier needs to be equipped first with carrier based J35s . And then followed by Chinese Airforce. So initial production of j35s is to full fill chinas needs. I think we are looking at least 3 years wait? Unless our Chinese friends know better.

New rafales will start arriving at end of 2028 or after that. Tejas are not getting engines. They wont buy SU-57.

I think we are good for 2-3 years and can wait. In the meantime maybe add 30 JF17B3 and 30 J-10CE. That would really help in replacing around 100 mirages 3/5 and F7

 

[Oscar]

New rafales will start arriving at end of 2028 or after that. Tejas are not getting engines. They wont buy SU-57.

I think we are good for 2-3 years and can wait. In the meantime maybe add 30 JF17B3 and 30 J-10CE. That would really help in replacing around 100 mirages 3/5 and F7

Aircraft arent the immediate focus - AD and loitering systems along with BMs are to get the upper hand or "parity" at a minimum.

Even with additional Rafale's India will still struggle getting a longer stick so it too is focusing on networked ops - with much less enthusiasm for new jets.

 

[RealNapster]

Aircraft arent the immediate focus - AD and loitering systems along with BMs are to get the upper hand or "parity" at a minimum.

Even with additional Rafale's India will still struggle getting a longer stick so it too is focusing on networked ops - with much less enthusiasm for new jets.

I agree. On one hand $1 billion will hardly get us one squadron of J-10CE or JF-17B3. On the other hand investing the same amount in production of latest highspeed LM (like sarkash for example) will give us 20000+ LM. We can send 500 each day and still remain able to sustain it for 40 days.

 

[KingQamaR]

New rafales will start arriving at end of 2028 or after that. Tejas are not getting engines. They wont buy SU-57.

I think we are good for 2-3 years and can wait. In the meantime maybe add 30 JF17B3 and 30 J-10CE. That would really help in replacing around 100 mirages 3/5 and F7

J10 / PL-15 is already sufficient to deal with Indian IAF: I still think PAF should order additional JC10s. Because there is a possibility China might not want to upset regional stability with introducing j35s. Here’s my theory what you think? Pakistan today is more inclined to safeguard Middle East peace on behalf of China, rather than focusing its efforts on the seemingly fragile India. Given China's status as an East Asian nation and its principle of non-interference in other countries' internal affairs, it is not suited to intervene in Middle Eastern matters. Therefore, the J-10CE is far from sufficient to safeguard Middle East peace; only a fifth-generation fighter jet can counter a certain country's fifth-generation aircraft. Jc10c for india j35 against small hat people!

 

[RealNapster]

J10 / PL-15 is already sufficient to deal with Indian IAF: I still think PAF should order additional JC10s. Because there is a possibility China might not want to upset regional stability with introducing j35s. Here’s my theory what you think? Pakistan today is more inclined to safeguard Middle East peace on behalf of China, rather than focusing its efforts on the seemingly fragile India. Given China's status as an East Asian nation and its principle of non-interference in other countries' internal affairs, it is not suited to intervene in Middle Eastern matters. Therefore, the J-10CE is far from sufficient to safeguard Middle East peace; only a fifth-generation fighter jet can counter a certain country's fifth-generation aircraft. Jc10c for india j35 against small hat people!

20 J-10CE is not sufficient at all. Last time Indian navy didn't participated in the war. But what if next time you are facing SU-29 full squadron from their aircraft carrier attacking Karachi while many squadrons of SU-30MKI and Rafael attacks Kashmir, Islamabad, Punjab and sindh . ?

I dont think we will be able to effectively repell such an attack from 5-6 sides with handful of J10C, some 30 block 3, and 100 km ranfe F16 bVRs. We need more J-10C.

 

[Deino]

20 J-10CE is not sufficient at all. Last time Indian navy didn't participated in the war. But what if next time you are facing SU-29 full squadron from their aircraft carrier attacking Karachi while many squadrons of SU-30MKI and Rafael attacks Kashmir, Islamabad, Punjab and sindh . ?

I dont think we will be able to effectively repell such an attack from 5-6 sides with handful of J10C, some 30 block 3, and 100 km ranfe F16 bVRs. We need more J-10C.

Yes, but if this scenarios indeed happens, then you have a full blown-out war and not some border-skirmish and then even 20 more J-10CE doesn‘t really matter.

 

[RealNapster]

Yes, but if this scenarios indeed happens, then you have a full blown-out war and not some border-skirmish and then even 20 more J-10CE doesn‘t really matter.

Even last time around 72 indian and 44 pakistanj fighter jets were in the air simultaneously. But out of those 72 maybe 10 crossed Pakistani border. But what if this time 30 crosses. Same number of fighter jets in the air but now we have to deal with multiple sectors and enemy fighters in double digit. Thats going to be tricky without becoming a full fledge war. Because remember last time we used fighter jets, cruise missiles, rockets (fatah series), and loitering munitions. Its not like it was a small aerial skirmish.

So the point is, even 40-50 of their fighter jets crosses border, its still same as previous case, but our ability to offer punch is limited. That need to be improved. And 20 more J-10CE is going to help in that alot. It can increase our 42 last time to 62. Almost equal to the Indian airforce punch meant for us. I would take 20 more J-10C any day for this reason

 

[Yasser76]

Even last time around 72 indian and 44 pakistanj fighter jets were in the air simultaneously. But out of those 72 maybe 10 crossed Pakistani border. But what if this time 30 crosses. Same number of fighter jets in the air but now we have to deal with multiple sectors and enemy fighters in double digit. Thats going to be tricky without becoming a full fledge war. Because remember last time we used fighter jets, cruise missiles, rockets (fatah series), and loitering munitions. Its not like it was a small aerial skirmish.

So the point is, even 40-50 of their fighter jets crosses border, its still same as previous case, but our ability to offer punch is limited. That need to be improved. And 20 more J-10CE is going to help in that alot. It can increase our 42 last time to 62. Almost equal to the Indian airforce punch meant for us. I would take 20 more J-10C any day for this reason

Yeah, something feels a bit off. After a spectacular performance last year we have not received any more J-10s (that we know about) or not converted any new Sqds to JF-17s and in fact we have placed Azeri order ahead of PAF and we have even sent JF-17s to Saudia on a permanent rotation basis.

Something feels really odd about all of this. Either last year was such a great walloping and maybe Indians were hit harder then we realise so PAF is relaxing or there is something a foot.

It has been 2 years and no new fighter inductions, PAF have never gone that long without fighters, even in 90s we had a constant stream of F-7s and used Mirages, in 00s we had F-16s and JF-17s I/II and in last 5 years JF-17 III and J-10

Now nothing. Interesting times.....

 

[RealNapster]

Something feels really odd about all of this. Either last year was such a great walloping and maybe Indians were hit harder then we realise so PAF is relaxing or there is something a foot.

You are giving too much credit to Pakistan. We do deserve some credit. But its not like we destroyed 2 of their full squadrons and now we are keeping it state secret.

 

[Corax]

Even last time around 72 indian and 44 pakistanj fighter jets were in the air simultaneously. But out of those 72 maybe 10 crossed Pakistani border. But what if this time 30 crosses. Same number of fighter jets in the air but now we have to deal with multiple sectors and enemy fighters in double digit. Thats going to be tricky without becoming a full fledge war. Because remember last time we used fighter jets, cruise missiles, rockets (fatah series), and loitering munitions. Its not like it was a small aerial skirmish.

So the point is, even 40-50 of their fighter jets crosses border, its still same as previous case, but our ability to offer punch is limited. That need to be improved. And 20 more J-10CE is going to help in that alot. It can increase our 42 last time to 62. Almost equal to the Indian airforce punch meant for us. I would take 20 more J-10C any day for this reason

How do you know 10 crossed into Pak airspace? I don't recall anyone from the PAF stating that. As far as I know they all launched SOWs from withing their own airspace.

 

[Yasser76]

You are giving too much credit to Pakistan. We do deserve some credit. But its not like we destroyed 2 of their full squadrons and now we are keeping it state secret.

No, not claiming anything really, maybe just that the battle was more one sided then we thought or that we could have shot down more, but could well be wrong, my point is either PAF has become very complacent (which it never has done in the past) or that something is up and we may see inductions soon

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yeah, something feels a bit off. After a spectacular performance last year we have not received any more J-10s (that we know about) or not converted any new Sqds to JF-17s and in fact we have placed Azeri order ahead of PAF and we have even sent JF-17s to Saudia on a permanent rotation basis.

Something feels really odd about all of this. Either last year was such a great walloping and maybe Indians were hit harder then we realise so PAF is relaxing or there is something a foot.

It has been 2 years and no new fighter inductions, PAF have never gone that long without fighters, even in 90s we had a constant stream of F-7s and used Mirages, in 00s we had F-16s and JF-17s I/II and in last 5 years JF-17 III and J-10

Now nothing. Interesting times.....

I really think that PAF really wants the J-35AE and has been conserving all its financial resources to make that purchase and trying to pitch the JF17C to others to get more financial resources that arise from those sales for its "cut". As per Oscar, they may still be facing financial burdens on that account in terms of loans with China.

The impact of the J-35AE on India and the IAF will be significant, both as a new platform type that they have to account for and deal with, but also psychologically it will have the same effect on them as when the F16s arrived in South Asia and I think that PAF is wanting that effect to happen again. J-35AE buys more deterrence space than more J10CE's will bring to the table for the same overall dollar spend and that gives more time for Pakistan to try and sort out its economy.

We may well be heading into a global recession, if not outright depression btw because of the Iran/USA/Israel war and governments worldwide will now start to restrict their cash flows and that will be another new thing that works against a possible J-35AE procurement btw. Just look at yields on bond markets now, all rising as cash will become scarce. I do think PAF's J-35A's chances will be pushed out even further for that reason.

 

[Yasser76]

I really think that PAF really wants the J-35AE and has been conserving all its financial resources to make that purchase and trying to pitch the JF17C to others to get more financial resources that arise from those sales for its "cut". As per Oscar, they may still be facing financial burdens on that account in terms of loans with China.

The impact of the J-35AE on India and the IAF will be significant, both as a new platform type that they have to account for and deal with, but also psychologically it will have the same effect on them as when the F16s arrived in South Asia and I think that PAF is wanting that effect to happen again. J-35AE buys more deterrence space than more J10CE's will bring to the table for the same overall dollar spend and that gives more time for Pakistan to try and sort out its economy.

We may well be heading into a global recession, if not outright depression btw because of the Iran/USA/Israel war and governments worldwide will now start to restrict their cash flows and that will be another new thing that works against a possible J-35AE procurement btw. Just look at yields on bond markets now, all rising as cash will become scarce. I do think PAF's J-35A's chances will be pushed out even further for that reason.

Yeah, that is what I suspect, looks like PAF may have even stopped all 4.5th Gen (JF-17C/J-10C) purchases just to go after the J-35. May also explain a lack of procurement in general within the PAF too. No C-130 replacement, no new LIFT, no new basic trainer to replace T-37, no additional or new refuelling tankers even though we have more fighters with in flight refuelling capability.

There is either $0 in the pot or something is up.

 

[Salza]

How do you know 10 crossed into Pak airspace? I don't recall anyone from the PAF stating that. As far as I know they all launched SOWs from withing their own airspace.

Ya I was about to type same as well when the hell 10 of IAF jets crossed IB or LOC last year ? All they did was firing SoWs or air launched cruise missiles inside Pakistan.

With PL15, we can effectively create no fly zone (200KM) at IB for IAF even in the next clash as well like we did after May 07. Block 3 can fire PL15s as well. More then enough for MIG29s. They can try their luck again.

 

[Salza]

I really think that PAF really wants the J-35AE and has been conserving all its financial resources to make that purchase and trying to pitch the JF17C to others to get more financial resources that arise from those sales for its "cut". As per Oscar, they may still be facing financial burdens on that account in terms of loans with China.

The impact of the J-35AE on India and the IAF will be significant, both as a new platform type that they have to account for and deal with, but also psychologically it will have the same effect on them as when the F16s arrived in South Asia and I think that PAF is wanting that effect to happen again. J-35AE buys more deterrence space than more J10CE's will bring to the table for the same overall dollar spend and that gives more time for Pakistan to try and sort out its economy.

We may well be heading into a global recession, if not outright depression btw because of the Iran/USA/Israel war and governments worldwide will now start to restrict their cash flows and that will be another new thing that works against a possible J-35AE procurement btw. Just look at yields on bond markets now, all rising as cash will become scarce. I do think PAF's J-35A's chances will be pushed out even further for that reason.

You may be right about saving money for J35s but more financial resources has gone into the rocket force, multiple satellite launches lately. But still atleast one squad of J10C is necessary in my opinion with ageing F16s fleet.