PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Rational Philosopher]

India reduced the effectiveness of our AD with saturation attacks/loitering munitions. Even Malir cantt was attacked.

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What magazine is this? Can you link it please

 

[Areesh]

there isnt much cover down south. it isnt as important in the military's decision-makers' minds.

but thats not the point. the point is why did we not attack the bases from which strike aircraft were launched? why did we allow the indians to send drones after drones for 2 days when we had forced their air-force to retreat?

Saudi foreign minister was coming to Pakistan

How can we attack india when our arab brothers were coming to Pakistan asking us to not attack

You know the all that BS

 

[Areesh]

What magazine is this? Can you link it please

Airforce monthly

Article is written by a clown who said PAF shot down its own JFT and not Rafale

 

[Areesh]

No hit in Malir cant

No hit in Masroor either

 

[S.Y.A]

Saudi foreign minister was coming to Pakistan

How can we attack india when our arab brothers were coming to Pakistan asking us to not attack

You know the all that BS

he arrived on the last day. paf could have shot down more aircraft on the night of the attack, they could have immediately responded and struck their bases.

 

[S.Y.A]

You see, a war where Indian economy starts crashing means Indian oil consumption and LNG imports will fall....means your own muslim bastard GCC arab brothers will call you to stop the war before even USA will.....they care about the dollars that their Oil/Gas exports to India bring.....given how low oil prices have been recently....

hitting airbases and air defenses has no direct relation with indian oil consumption and lng imports. everything about GCC, its all just cope at this point.

 

[rafale]

hitting airbases and air defenses has no direct relation with indian oil consumption and lng imports. everything about GCC, its all just cope at this point.

once you start hitting their airbases and losses pile up on both sides, economies are gonna slow, uncertainty gonna kick in, stock markets gonna crash....all out war will also take into account the shipping lines from GCC to India being disrupted...

Just see how much things were uncertain with Iran threatening US bases in the region....strait of hormuz where a large amount of oil/gas to India and Pakistan flows out of......

So yea, GCC arab bros aren't gonna be happy. The really dont have real economies, its all either airline/tourism revenue or oil and gas revenue......and anything that jeopardizes that is bad for them.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Airforce monthly

Article is written by a clown who said PAF shot down its own JFT and not Rafale

I was actually going to run with the article having perhaps an accurate non-biased assessment but the Indian brain is so rotten by insecure cope and bollywood fantasy that shit like this ruins the credibility of literally anything that comes out their mouth instantly. Wouldn't trust them if they told me the sky was blue.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

nope. it is still there. the doctrine hasnt changed. it has may have just evolved to include enough AD to survive. btw, are we getting any long-range heavy strike plane? that can bomb the crap out of indian infra and airfields?

talk to army guys. talk to air-force guys. all will claim that they have won. when, in reality, the response was delayed due to indecisiveness. and we have got nothing to show for it. there is no killer instinct. just a few words in their dictionary: restraint, proportional response and escalation ladder.

and all of them will still claim that surviving for 15 days is the name of game.

ask them about winning the war, instead. they will start beating about the bush. there is no plan to win it.

Post of the thread so far encapsulating everything wrong with our force structure be it Army or PAF. We don't want heavy fighter-bombers like Flankers because they are expensive to maintain or we don't have aggressive mindset or expeditionary designs ... this is where we lose half of the WAR. This explains why we are so keen to do diplomatic gymnastics from Washington to Ankara to Beijing instead of making any solid military alliance with any on these because for us surviving (even with humiliation like we suffered recently) is winning in front of a bigger enemy without realizing that with each episode it is becoming difficult for us to even do that. India couldn't hit military targets in 2016 and 2019 but now they have tasted the blood and I am certain that India will learn some lessons from our military mindset as well and next time it will come with 20x more force. Only inclusion of more AD batteries are not gonna save us. We will have to deter enemy by showing that we have more lethal jaws and sharper teeth like we did in BVR domain! Long rang supersonic cruise and hypersonic ballistic missiles both in Surface and Air launched variants are needed and needed like Yesterday!

 

[S.Y.A]

once you start hitting their airbases and losses pile up on both sides, economies are gonna slow, uncertainty gonna kick in, stock markets gonna crash....all out war will also take into account the shipping lines from GCC to India being disrupted...

Just see how much things were uncertain with Iran threatening US bases in the region....strait of hormuz where a large amount of oil/gas to India and Pakistan flows out of......

So yea, GCC arab bros aren't gonna be happy. The really dont have real economies, its all either airline/tourism revenue or oil and gas revenue......and anything that jeopardizes that is bad for them.

then keep on getting hit.

 

[Bratva]

@S.Y.A You have accurately described the mindset of our Army and Airforce. "We will see it when we cross the bridge". This mentality stems from the fact that Army/Airforce doesn't have/had that cabapbility and they were hoodwinking it that they can counter the new indian capability easily and with Jazba e Imaan. It was same in 1990's when IAF introduced BVR and SU-30, same in 2000's when Brahmos and Phalcon was introduced.

The whole PAF doctrine was excelling WVR combat as we didn't had BVR and PAF was telling everyone BVR doesnt work as we are too close to each other and planes will merge quickly, so BVR is useless. Then PAF got the capability in 2010, It took 5-8 years to perfect the art of BVR and then they demonstrated it in 2019 and 2025.

We folded quickly in 2019 despite having an upper hand and didn't respond 2022 accidental brahmos firing because we didnt had Fatah and conventional role missiles to respond back to India and Our air defense was in infancy. Thank God and the stars, India didn't call our bluff back then or else what we have seen in 2025, it'd have been worse than back in 2019.

Now Same case with Army, the tanks were missing lubricants. They were not ready to go to war in 2019. Now starting from 2021, Army started introducing VT-4 tanks, Fatah series and started building Airdefence along with Airforce in 2022 and onwards.

Now we are toddlers in airdefence game, A big bully came and tested a toddler airdefence which just went online 2-3 years before with limited airdefence batteries.

Our guys will keep hoodwinking everyone that they are perfect and ready to face India while we are not and will take 5-6 years to build up a proper AD. But 2030 onwards, india will have hypersonics and our AD will once again become limited in what it can handle.

 

[Bratva]

@S.Y.A @HRK What i understood about army indecisiveness, America has heavily sanctioned our missile programs, we didn't have enough inventory of conventional missiles to hit back india. IMF review was also coming up, Pakistan needed those $$$ badly.

Now the recent visit of Pak team to Belarus is something that will establish parallel line of supply chain along with china providing us electronics and chips.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

@S.Y.A You have accurately described the mindset of our Army and Airforce. "We will see it when we cross the bridge". This mentality stems from the fact that Army/Airforce doesn't have/had that cabapbility and they were hoodwinking it that they can counter the new indian capability easily and with Jazba e Imaan. It was same in 1990's when IAF introduced BVR and SU-30, same in 2000's when Brahmos and Phalcon was introduced.

The whole PAF doctrine was excelling WVR combat as we didn't had BVR and PAF was telling everyone BVR doesnt work as we are too close to each and planes will merge quickly, so BVR is useless. Then PAF got the capability in 2010, It took 5-8 years to perfect the art of BVR and then they demonstrated it in 2019 and 2025.

We folded quickly in 2019 despite having an upper hand and didn't respond 2022 accidental brahmos firing because we didnt had Fatah and conventional role missiles to respond back to India and Our air defense was in infancy. Thank God and the stars, India didn't call our bluff back then or else what we have seen in 2025, it'd have been worse than back in 2019.

Now Same case with Army, the tanks were missing lubricants. They were not ready to go to war in 2019. Now starting from 2021, Army started introducing tanks, Fatah series and started building Airdefence along with Airforce in 2022 and onwards.

Now we are toddlers in airdefence game, A big bully came and tested a toddler airdefence which just went online 2-3 years before with limited batteries.

Our guys will keep hoodwinking everyone that they are perfect and ready to face India while we are not and will take 5-6 years to build up a proper AD. But 2030 onwards, india will have hypersonics and our AD will once again become limited in what it can handle.

Unfortunately, always behind the curve with excuses due to a lazy/careless mindset. Sure economics is a big part but a lot of it just seems lazy and self-defeatism, like they've given up, no interest.

We've managed to get lucky in 2019, 2025, due to very limited good planning, but once escalation climbs you will see them fold. They've not prepared for that long and it's obvious.

 

[HRK]

@S.Y.A @HRK What i understood about army indecisiveness, America has heavily sanctioned our missile programs, we didn't have enough inventory of conventional missiles to hit back india. IMF review was also coming up, Pakistan needed those $$$ badly.

Now the recent visit of Pak team to Belarus is something that will establish parallel line of supply chain along with china providing us electronics and chips.

This could be a possible reason, even if we leave the current events we see our missile program is almost stagnant in terms of technology.

Range is not the issue but many technologies which could be adopted are absent from Pakistan's missile program.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

This could be a possible reason, even if we leave the current events we see our missile program is almost stagnant in terms of technology.

Range is not the issue but many technologies which could be adopted are absent from Pakistan's missile program.

We also need to look into the fact how US got the wind of Pakistani missile program. In the past, we consistently develop and tested new ballistic missile after every few years without US/India getting any clue? What changed? May be we stretched our supply line too thin or we became careless. Pakistan just simply can't afford to be left behind specially hypersonic missiles. We can import supersonic cruise missiles like C-302 or YJ-12 etc. from China but for hypersonic we need homegrown solution.