side-winder
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The wishlist can go on but real life has tangible as well as intangible limitations.
The system is only accepted after FATs and SATs satisfy OEM stated specs during live as well as simulated tests.
Anyway, we'll see.
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The wishlist can go on but real life has tangible as well as intangible limitations.
The system is only accepted after FATs and SATs satisfy OEM stated specs during live as well as simulated tests.
Anyway, we'll see.
MirageV3ff
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To be fair in the end Z-10s were acquired. But you are right about that. Insanely hyped and well before they were actually acquired
Michael
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The HQ-17AE and FK-3000 are two completely different products and are not comparable.
The primary purpose of the HQ-17AE is to protect friendly armored vehicle convoys, intercepting mainly high-value medium to large targets within a 1.5-20 km range. Due to the high cost of its interceptor missiles, it is not suitable for intercepting low-value targets such as small and medium-sized drones. Therefore, a dedicated "fire support vehicle" was developed for it to intercept these low-value targets.
The FK-3000 is a low-cost air defense system primarily targeting small and medium-sized low-value targets and lacks the ability to launch while moving. When performing air defense missions, the vehicle must be brought to a complete stop. The HQ-17AE, on the other hand, is a high-end short-range air defense system capable of launching while moving.
Oscar
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That is because as outlined by @side-winder there are Pakistan specific requirements that need to be satisfied. Pakistan isnt exactly some nice comfortable environment - people cite Ukraine as where all systems are pushed to the test (or earlier with UAVs in Libya/Sudan) but quite literally Pakistan has extremes of environment coupled with overall shitty civil infrastructure and deployment considerations which then have to meld in with a very demanding threat matrix.
So while Ukraine has all the hooplah - that is a temperate climate - cold winters to an extent and hot summers but that is the baseline most western and Chinese systems are designed around. Even its civil infra was at a much higher baseline than Pakistan ever was along with its power grid which for Pakistan has always been historically unreliable that generators are needed.
You have a latitude area where you have completely different heat/humidity index coupled with dust everywhere that clogs engines and generators. Now you have climate extremes with temperatures that start to fail coolants at 55C at certain times of day - and we havent even begun discussing the types of threats it faces.
Fatman17
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Pakistan’s New Chinese LD-2000 CIWS Could Redefine South Asia Air Warfare as Drone Swarms and Cruise Missile Threats Intensify - Defence Security Asia
Pakistan’s suspected acquisition of China’s LD-2000 CIWS is raising major strategic questions across South Asia as Islamabad strengthens airbase defenses against drone swarms, cruise missiles, and precision-guided attacks, deepening China-Pakistan military integration and altering the regional...
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Toxic
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It could be just be a generic photo babus used to represent a Gun based CIWS and not necessarily something concrete.
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