PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[side-winder]

The threat we face is quite unique too, such a massive number of supersonic missiles, just any Shorad system won't do, we need quick agile fire and forget missiles to deal with such a threat, is it worth cheaping out on a certain kind of system and potentially lose much more?

The wishlist can go on but real life has tangible as well as intangible limitations.

The system is only accepted after FATs and SATs satisfy OEM stated specs during live as well as simulated tests.

Anyway, we'll see.

 

[MirageV3ff]

Establishment linked account, they were doing this shit with Z-10ME too before it was revealed

To be fair in the end Z-10s were acquired. But you are right about that. Insanely hyped and well before they were actually acquired

 

[Michael]

IE capable of engaging wide variety of threats from supersonic missiles to drones, single vehicle Gun+missile systems like the FK-3000 are primarily point defense systems geared towards CUAS rather then the more general purpose systems like the HQ-17.

The HQ-17AE and FK-3000 are two completely different products and are not comparable.

The primary purpose of the HQ-17AE is to protect friendly armored vehicle convoys, intercepting mainly high-value medium to large targets within a 1.5-20 km range. Due to the high cost of its interceptor missiles, it is not suitable for intercepting low-value targets such as small and medium-sized drones. Therefore, a dedicated "fire support vehicle" was developed for it to intercept these low-value targets.

The FK-3000 is a low-cost air defense system primarily targeting small and medium-sized low-value targets and lacks the ability to launch while moving. When performing air defense missions, the vehicle must be brought to a complete stop. The HQ-17AE, on the other hand, is a high-end short-range air defense system capable of launching while moving.

 

[Oscar]

The wishlist can go on but real life has tangible as well as intangible limitations.

The system is only accepted after FATs and SATs satisfy OEM stated specs during live as well as simulated tests.

Anyway, we'll see.

To be fair in the end Z-10s were acquired. But you are right about that. Insanely hyped and well before they were actually acquired

That is because as outlined by @side-winder there are Pakistan specific requirements that need to be satisfied. Pakistan isnt exactly some nice comfortable environment - people cite Ukraine as where all systems are pushed to the test (or earlier with UAVs in Libya/Sudan) but quite literally Pakistan has extremes of environment coupled with overall shitty civil infrastructure and deployment considerations which then have to meld in with a very demanding threat matrix.

So while Ukraine has all the hooplah - that is a temperate climate - cold winters to an extent and hot summers but that is the baseline most western and Chinese systems are designed around. Even its civil infra was at a much higher baseline than Pakistan ever was along with its power grid which for Pakistan has always been historically unreliable that generators are needed.

You have a latitude area where you have completely different heat/humidity index coupled with dust everywhere that clogs engines and generators. Now you have climate extremes with temperatures that start to fail coolants at 55C at certain times of day - and we havent even begun discussing the types of threats it faces.

 

[Fatman17]

Pakistan’s New Chinese LD-2000 CIWS Could Redefine South Asia Air Warfare as Drone Swarms and Cruise Missile Threats Intensify - Defence Security Asia

Pakistan’s suspected acquisition of China’s LD-2000 CIWS is raising major strategic questions across South Asia as Islamabad strengthens airbase defenses against drone swarms, cruise missiles, and precision-guided attacks, deepening China-Pakistan military integration and altering the regional...

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[Princeps]

LD-3000 surely? not the old LD-2000

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Looks like we might be getting FK-2000 as well

 

[CSAW]

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[Toxic]

LD-3000 surely? not the old LD-2000

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Looks like we might be getting FK-2000 as well

It could be just be a generic photo babus used to represent a Gun based CIWS and not necessarily something concrete.

 

[Malik]

HQ-16F SAM system has been officially inducted in PLA Ground Force.

Fire control Radar

Interceptor

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[LX1111]

The threat we face is quite unique too, such a massive number of supersonic missiles, just any Shorad system won't do, we need quick agile fire and forget missiles like the IRIS-T SLM to deal with such a threat, is it worth cheaping out on a certain kind of system and potentially lose much more?

such a stupid reason
Do you think the HQ-9B and HQ-16FE are very low-end?
Stop joking.AESA ,range of over 150 kilometers,ARH,Lateral Thrust Control System,
Except for China, you can only buy the American PAC—3 MSE
As for the Germany junk you mentioned,Even Ukraine does not put it into air defense operations on the front line.It's about getting this crap to intercept the Shahd drone in the back.
Do you think he can stop the BrahMos?The range is so short.

 

[LX1111]

How good is the HQ16FE?

Also members are reporting that PAF is in the process of acquiring it. It hasn't arrived yet in Pakistan.

According to CCTV, They interviewed the 8th Research Institute of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.
HQ-16FE uses a dual-pulse engine and Lateral Thrust Control System
Strong interception capability for supersonic and tactical ballistic missiles
And the range is increased to 160 kilometers，Using a semi-active/ active dual-mode combined radar, a scratch head.It has stronger anti-interference performance.

 

[Ak01]

such a stupid reason
Do you think the HQ-9B and HQ-16FE are very low-end?
Stop joking.AESA ,range of over 150 kilometers,ARH,Lateral Thrust Control System,
Except for China, you can only buy the American PAC—3 MSE
As for the Germany junk you mentioned,Even Ukraine does not put it into air defense operations on the front line.It's about getting this crap to intercept the Shahd drone in the back.
Do you think he can stop the BrahMos?The range is so short.

This is delusion. Ukrainian operators have been reporting interception rates you could only dream of.

Cope harder

 

[Toxic]

such a stupid reason
Do you think the HQ-9B and HQ-16FE are very low-end?
Stop joking.AESA ,range of over 150 kilometers,ARH,Lateral Thrust Control System,
Except for China, you can only buy the American PAC—3 MSE
As for the Germany junk you mentioned,Even Ukraine does not put it into air defense operations on the front line.It's about getting this crap to intercept the Shahd drone in the back.
Do you think he can stop the BrahMos?The range is so short.

Do you not understand what "Shorads" Mean? maybe it's the fault of your translating software.

 

[LX1111]

This is delusion. Ukrainian operators have been reporting interception rates you could only dream of.

Cope harder

Although I hate talking to people with a blue crescent flag
You've seen a few interviews with the Ukrainian air defense forces
IRIS-T The most intercepted are caliber and KH101 cruise missiles，And the Shahed drone.Have you seen any of their intercepted Kinzhal, Iskander and other ballistic missiles, or the P800 ,KH22. supersonic missile?

 

[RealNapster]

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According to CCTV, They interviewed the 8th Research Institute of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.
HQ-16FE uses a dual-pulse engine and Lateral Thrust Control System
Strong interception capability for supersonic and tactical ballistic missiles
And the range is increased to 160 kilometers，Using a semi-active/ active dual-mode combined radar, a scratch head.It has stronger anti-interference performance.

So it can not kill anything flying lower than 15 km ?