Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

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What a useless presser
It wasn't completely useless, some things were clear if you read between the lines - the OP is clearly active - this is narrative building for a larger operation (these injections are given in small dosages).

If you watched the presser to the end you will have noticed that the DGISPR's voice broke down when he presented a tribute to the martyrs:

Right here:
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To analyse this presser, you have to read between the lines. If you ignore the noise about politics and X, Y and Z... OP is ongoing and you SHOULD expect more surprises to come.

The language and tone of the presser was clear - the nation will have to make some serious sacrifices in the coming days and months.

Now to address the elephant in the room:

I will admit people will be unsatisfied with the presentation because what they were expecting was this...

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Instead what they got was this...
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As always PAKISTAN ZAINDABAD!
 
I’ve been observing this forum for some time, along with discussions on Twitter, and I visit Pakistan annually, where I interact with people directly. A concerning trend I’ve noticed, especially in the last 7-8 pages of conversations here, is the polarized mindset among Pakistanis. Broadly, there are two groups: those who are pro-establishment, often with strong anti-Imran Khan sentiments and unwavering support for figures like Asim Munir, and PTI supporters who idolize Imran Khan. Additionally, some individuals display extreme prejudice, unfairly blaming Pashtuns and Baloch for societal issues.

A core issue is the lack of accountability. While an FIR can be filed against a prime minister or any civilian, no one dares or can file one against a serving military officer, even a captain (captain hamad example below). When any group is placed above the law, justice cannot prevail. Similarly, PTI supporters must acknowledge that Imran Khan has made questionable decisions and is not some messiah, such as appointing Pervez Khattak, a political opportunist who switched parties multiple times before taking oath as Chief Minister, or Ali Amin Gandapur, whose leadership has been controversial. koyi aik b sahe bandha nahi lagaya. aur has done alot of blunders and many decisions.

My main message is this: as Muslims, our primary loyalty should be to Allah, His Prophet, and Islam. As Pakistanis, our second loyalty should be to Pakistan—not to any political party, leader, or establishment. Support whom you wish, but if you are Muslim and Pakistani, fear Allah aur hamesha haq aur sachayi ka saath dein and secondly prioritize Pakistan’s well-being. Stop blindly defending every action of your chosen leaders; no one is infallible. I’ve said this before and will repeat: after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the last prophet, until the arrival of Imam Mahdi or Prophet Isa (AS), the best system for Muslims is one based on consultation (shura), mutual deliberation, and a democratic process akin to a board of governors, where no individual has absolute authority, regardless of their status. aap beshak ghaus e azam iss waqt kay ya iss dour kay mujjadad ko laga kay dictator bana dein wo bairha ghark kar dega mukammal naik nayeti say b.

This younger generation seems unaware of the historical context especailly those pro establishment, e.g the Zia era and its consequences, as they haven’t studied history. the first TLP naik muhammad was the fruit of zia USSR war which was trained by army for afghanistan war and later killed while peace was negotiated by US drone. and then this TTP is born the baakiyat of afghan war and the gift of establishment to the people of KPK. phir kahtay ye kpk walay saaray esay hain.

Similarly for afghanistan, I recommend reviewing the historical context below. Had Najibullah not been removed and had Pakistan avoided meddling in Afghanistan post-USSR, fostering friendly relations instead, the deep-seated resentment among Afghans might have been avoided. Also, Musharraf’s actions, such as in balochistan protecting Captain Hamad in the Dr. Shazia rape case, and later resorting to miliatry action led to the deaths and disappearances of many Baloch, marking the beginning of enforced disappearances that continue today. the bajaur 70 children killed by US drone accepted by pakistan army balkay us waqt ISPR ki press conference abi b hai kay sab terrorist thay? ab unkay family main kayio nay uskay baad gun utha li hogi?

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a controversial figure, has been accused of causing significant destruction and civilian deaths in Kabul during the early 1990s who was supported and armed by your favourite general hamid gul, who as earned the title "Butcher of Kabul" by some analysts (Coll, 2004). According to Peter Tomsen, the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan (1989–1992), Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) hired Hekmatyar in 1990 to conquer Afghanistan in pursuit of Pakistani interests. This plan was delayed until 1992 due to U.S. pressure (Tomsen, 2011).

Shahnawaz Tanai, a member of the Khalq faction of the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan, was a hardline nationalist and anti-mujahideen figure. Despite his ideological differences, Tanai formed an unlikely alliance with Hekmatyar’s Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin in 1990 to overthrow Najibullah’s regime. Tanai rejected peace initiatives, favoring a military solution. Hekmatyar intensified attacks on Kabul to support Tanai’s coup, which followed a failed Khalqist coup attempt in December 1989 (Rubin, 2002). This coup took place a year after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan (Giustozzi, 2000).

**Sources:**
1. Coll, S. (2004). Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001.
2. Tomsen, P. (2011). The Wars of Afghanistan: Messianic Terrorism, Tribal Conflicts, and the Failures of Great Powers.
3. Rubin, B. R. (2002). The Fragmentation of Afghanistan: State Formation and Collapse in the International System. Yale University Press.
4. Giustozzi, A. (2000). War, Politics and Society in Afghanistan, 1978–1992. Georgetown University Press.

People with vested interests do not care if our Pakhtuns die.

The greatest sin is to leave them to the afghani wolves in their time of need. They need our moral and military support.

APS massacre should have been the watershed moment. Instead the state did not follow through. It took them more than 11 years to strike Kabul.

We will need to decimate TTP and BLA bases and establish firm detterence and make the blood of our Pakthuns very expensive.
 
Is that your takeaway here? He has been challenged on his rhetoric, he has been thread banned. What more would you like me to do? Drag him to the ICJ?

You saw the same post I did, I challenged it, and all you did was post this short two lines -the forum has a report feature:
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Next time instead of standing on the soapbox and complaining - be an upstander and take action.
I reported his nonsense both times. And one of the mods did well to remove both his posts in response to my reports.

I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part :)
 
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Attack tandoor par hoa hai, matam Sandoor waly mana rhy hn..

That is why I have been saying that attacking Afghanistan will hurt India. Actually very badly.
 
People with vested interests do not care if our Pakhtuns die.

The greatest sin is to leave them to the afghani wolves in their time of need. They need our moral and military support.

APS massacre should have been the watershed moment. Instead the state did not follow through. It took them more than 11 years to strike Kabul.

We will need to decimate TTP and BLA bases and establish firm detterence and make the blood of our Pakthuns very expensive.
Dear Brother,

No one can win a war without gaining the support of the local population. Currently, there is significant distrust between the people and the establishment, exacerbated by the lack of respect shown toward their elected parliamentarians, who are sometimes openly labeled as terrorists. To achieve peace in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, the first step is to ensure fair elections that bring the people's chosen representatives to power. This will help build trust between the establishment and the local population. Only then, if certain individuals still align with terrorists and threaten peace, should operations be conducted against them, with the support of the local community , their chosen members and in collaboration with establishment.
 
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Right now, it does seem and feel like it is the Taliban and the TTP that control both the escalation ladder and the narrative, and the ISPR/PA are simply reactive to this, and that on a tit for tat basis.

This mentality and approach need to change by letter and deed. And it needs to happen soon.
 
Response from IEA on yesterday's airstrikes.

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That is why I have been saying that attacking Afghanistan will hurt India. Actually very badly.
How exactly will it hurt India very badly ? If India starts a fresh border conflict with China or attacks Bangladesh, will it hurt Pakistan very badly ?
 
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Keep bombing them. Close Kabul airport down. Show them strength niw, we spent too much time on words.

They seem to have mistaken their prowess at Guerilla warfare for being a power. No need to use troops, use the entire country as a testing ground as far as I am concerned.

Close goods trade, declare No Fly Zone over their entire country.

See how quickly they will kneel.
 
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