Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[r3alist]

"Kingdom hopes that this positive step will lead to an end to tensions on the border between the two countries," Saudi foreign ministry says.

Read that bit again:

"tensions" is what they call it.

Maybe our Saudi friends can tell us again why the Muslim Brotherhood is nothing more than legitimate political opposition in KSA?

I will just throw out there some contrarian views on the Arab reaction

- Afghanistan is not an enemy state for them, and has its own importance on minerals and everything else we are well aware of
- fundamentally, a cessation of violence from their perspective is a good thing

- Pakistan has apparently gone from second gear to fifth gear, and whilst the justification here will be well understood to the outside world it will not be as well.



- conventional military this is a non-contest, Pakistan does not really need any help and should the Arabs be seen to be supporting Pakistan over Afghanistan?

- these middle power mediators, like turkey and the Arab states, they are pursuing their own self-interest and their own prestige

- Qatar, with us support has long been seen as the diplomatic front for the Taliban, in that sense they have established understandings, it's one of the most unique aspects of their diplomacy

I don't really agree with all of those, other than offering a table and some rooms the Arabs should be stating a position on respect for boundaries and safe havens for terrorism, as well as this, if Pakistan is expected to protect Arab equities then there should be reciprocation

 

[mythbuster]

Saudi Arabia joined other nations on Monday in welcoming the ceasefire agreed between Pakistan and Afghanistan after days of border hostilities, affirming its support for efforts aimed at promoting peace and stability between the two countries.

The ceasefire was agreed early yesterday morning during talks between Afghan and Pakistani delegations in Doha with the mediation of Qatar and Turkiye. A next round of negotiations between the two sides is scheduled to be held in Istanbul on October 25.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1950135

Contrary to what our PDF fellows believe TTA is under immense pressure by the gulf states and Turkey.... TTA has zero leverage in any conceivable domain.....right now TTA is like a newly caged dog , barking is the only option she has.

 

[Mrc]

Good will come out of this deal

Like any ceasefire this ceasefire will also b tested by various groups not necessarily tta.

Just b pattient for a week

 

[Master Chief]

I will just throw out there some contrarian views on the Arab reaction

- Afghanistan is not an enemy state for them, and has its own importance on minerals and everything else we are well aware of
- fundamentally, a cessation of violence from their perspective is a good thing

- Pakistan has apparently gone from second gear to fifth gear, and whilst the justification here will be well understood to the outside world it will not be as well.



- conventional military this is a non-contest, Pakistan does not really need any help and should the Arabs be seen to be supporting Pakistan over Afghanistan?

- these middle power mediators, like turkey and the Arab states, they are pursuing their own self-interest and their own prestige

- Qatar, with us support has long been seen as the diplomatic front for the Taliban, in that sense they have established understandings, it's one of the most unique aspects of their diplomacy

I don't really agree with all of those, other than offering a table and some rooms the Arabs should be stating a position on respect for boundaries and safe havens for terrorism, as well as this, if Pakistan is expected to protect Arab equities then there should be reciprocation

All valid points and, as ever, your posts remain a source of nuanced tempering on a thread that evokes strong discourse on controversial matters.

I think - and hope - that the Pak deep state remains two steps ahead of all of us and is keeping international partners in touch with their menial publicity related objectives, while assuring genuine Pakistani interests are furthered by all means available. I suppose it has been like this since 1947, to varying degrees of success.

 

[r3alist]

One hopes beyond hope that this may be a ruse from Pakistan's delegation and we may simply be offering geopolitical niceties to "concerned partners" while we proceed unhindered with a clandestine operation to decapitate the Kabuli regime, paving the way for some more permanent solution. While military and covert measures continue unabated, Pakistan MUST NOT offer economic respite or restitution to these swine.

I suspect this has to be the case, don't count your chickens just yet, but the action has already gone so far

They continue to shoot our soldiers. They continue to deny our sovereignty. They continue to harm our civilians

Regrettably this will not change soon.
A far more holistic approach will be needed to reduce the space for the taliban, economic, political and societal. And they are really really stubborn.

There are many aspects of the Taliban rule which are considered beyond the pale....

 

[I*R*A]

All valid points and, as ever, your posts remain a source of nuanced tempering on a thread that evokes strong discourse on controversial matters.

I think - and hope - that the Pak deep state remains two steps ahead of all of us and is keeping international partners in touch with their menial publicity related objectives, while assuring genuine Pakistani interests are furthered by all means available. I suppose it has been like this since 1947, to varying degrees of success.

Which other nationality has been most attacked in Pakistan and has suffered causalities as a result of terror operations being conducted from afghan soil?

 

[r3alist]

All valid points and, as ever, your posts remain a source of nuanced tempering on a thread that evokes strong discourse on controversial matters.

I think - and hope - that the Pak deep state remains two steps ahead of all of us and is keeping international partners in touch with their menial publicity related objectives, while assuring genuine Pakistani interests are furthered by all means available. I suppose it has been like this since 1947, to varying degrees of success.

Thank you sir. Ultimately, this action has been such a release that probably people within here are actually trying to reconcile the new reality that something so drastic has been done, relative to the past. Effectively, the old skin of brotherly possibilities must be shed, and a more robust narrative and psychological Framing must become the norm, but do not become like them, otherwise what is the point

Hence it is The long game, the afghan's will not go to nation building, no way Pakistan can help and no way India will invest too much.

The societal discourse has to change, how can it make sense to people that you barely have a nation or any capability yet you have enormous territorial ambitions against a much stronger military force....... What I am wondering is why this is not laughed and ridiculed? Maybe some old colonial literature will help, they didn't burden themselves with brotherly notions

 

[Fatman17]

Contrary to what our PDF fellows believe TTA is under immense pressure by the gulf states and Turkey.... TTA has zero leverage in any conceivable domain.....right now TTA is like a newly caged dog , barking is the only option she has.

Except for India

 

[Ak01]

Since the “ceasefire”- seems attacks are picking up.

Sounds like another Bunyan Al Marsoos moment.

Create a show to distract the masses, then let business as normal continue, giving the people a new lollipop to suck on.

Not many people taking about all the attacks going on atm. Forces created a perfect distraction

 

[aurelianpilled]

Since the “ceasefire”- seems attacks are picking up.

Sounds like another Bunyan Al Marsoos moment.

Create a show to distract the masses, then let business as normal continue, giving the people a new lollipop to suck on.

Not many people taking about all the attacks going on atm. Forces created a perfect distraction

Their 'restraint, diplomacy, response at time and place of our choosing, saar' stance literally resulted in our disadvantage back in May (10 May strikes on our airbases), and it hasn't changed much even in this 'conflict'. The enemy will knock out their teeth, and these monkeys will be chanting the same bullsh1t.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Offtopic certainly

I. tried deleting this post but couldn't . Could you move it to the Pakistan India war thread please ? Thanks

 

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[Distant_Observer]

Since the “ceasefire”- seems attacks are picking up.

Sounds like another Bunyan Al Marsoos moment.

Create a show to distract the masses, then let business as normal continue, giving the people a new lollipop to suck on.

Not many people taking about all the attacks going on atm. Forces created a perfect distraction

Back to playing the good taliban, bad taliban game.

 

[Fatman17]

Inappropriate comments

 

[Liquidator]

Allot of people lack nuance.

FFS PAF just hit their capital. What more do you want? You are just brushing this under the carpet and are focusing on the word border on a piece of paper.

What are your expectations? For this to stop overnight?

For a nuke to go off? Too many imbeciles here.