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[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Yeah, faaz is, I’m referring to the sd10 here

I didnt get it? isnt both are same? you mean we have more indegenisation with Faaz but in SD-10 we are just assembling?

 

[Michael]

These advantages give the Meteor missile an extremely long power range, but once the engine is shut down, its speed will drop rapidly.So the range of the Meteor missile is not his biggest advantage,The no escape zone is.

Yes!

Most air-to-air missiles use single-stage solid rocket engines. Their solid fuel carries its own oxidizer. The Meteor missile, however, employs a unique approach. Its solid fuel does not carry an oxidizer, but instead burns the fuel by drawing in air. This approach offers the advantage of delivering greater energy per unit volume and weight, thus extending the engine's operating time. However, its disadvantage is that it is affected by the amount of air drawn in, which can easily lead to engine stalling or reduced efficiency in certain extreme environments.

However, it doesn't address a common problem with air-to-air missiles using solid-fuel rocket engines: the engine is a one-time operation and uncontrolled.

After the missile leaves the fighter and the engine ignites, its speed begins to increase. The rocket engine then continues to propel the missile at high speed. When the fuel runs out, the missile's speed rapidly decreases, and it enters an unpowered glide phase.

When using this type of missile to attack a long-range target, the missile loses power mid-flight. The Meteor missile's engine can sustain sustained high-speed flight for approximately 80 kilometers, after which it shuts down and enters a glide phase.
Thus, its maximum engagement range against highly maneuverable targets is approximately 100-120 kilometers, and its maximum engagement range against less maneuverable targets is approximately 140-160 kilometers. The specific range depends on the target's early warning capabilities and evasion maneuvers. This doesn't mean it can't engage targets at longer distances, but rather that such targets are more likely to evade attack.

Furthermore, since it lacks its own oxidizer, it requires a large volume of air to fully utilize its engine capacity. Its speed-up capability is much lower than that of other air-to-air missiles. Therefore, the Meteor missile is the only BVR air-to-air missile lacking close-range dogfight capability. Other BVR air-to-air missiles do possess some dogfighting capability in emergencies. While this capability is certainly not as strong as missiles designed for close-range dogfighting, it is still sufficient for emergency situations.
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The PL-15 air-to-air missile's defining feature is its dual-pulse solid rocket engine. After the first stage of solid fuel ceases operation, the missile continues to glide for a period. The missile determines the timing of ignition of the second stage of solid fuel based on its distance from the target.
During the intermediate flight, its speed continuously decreases. However, the second stage of solid fuel allows it to maintain high speed as it approaches its target.
This is its killer feature.
Of course, the PL-15 also has the ability to engage in close-range dogfighting in emergency situations.

 

[Ak01]

I didnt get it? isnt both are same? you mean we have more indegenisation with Faaz but in SD-10 we are just assembling?

Faaz-1=reverse engineered SD-10, like Barq
We were probably allowed to do this because the Chinese dont care anymore

SD-10 we assemble.

With Faaz we just dont have enough details to make any assertions beyond it being a variant of the SD-10, probably an unlicensed copy- i dont know how local it can be considering we dont make the stuff needed

 

[Fatman17]

Not for the Eurofighters or Tornados

Probably not but UK could crumble under US pressure.

 

[Ak01]

Probably not but UK could crumble under US pressure.

the uk presented a typhoon offer to the paf not that long ago

 

[Yasser76]

Probably not but UK could crumble under US pressure.

Unsure if there even will be "US Pressure", US have said nothing publicly about the deal. If this means more orders of US equipment, that is a win for Trump.

Also, UK negotiating another Typhoon order with the Saudis, so they will be sensitive to Saudi requests.

My feeling is UNGA in NYC with PM meeting Trump may well put this deal into context vis a vis US attitudes

 

[Fatman17]

the uk presented a typhoon offer to the paf not that long ago

I had heard about that but apparently nothing came of it.

 

[Ak01]

I had heard about that but apparently nothing came of it.

FATF blocked loans of the size

 

[LX1111]

Since we are Pakistanis and unlike Indians not afraid to discuss the facts openly, if we hit 14 Indian aircraft and only 7 came down (got destroyed in the air) and the remaining 7 were able to make it back to the base in whatever condition, the big questions that come to my mind are,

1. Is the warhead in PL15 not big enough to destroy the target fully?

2. Is the proximity switch in PL15 setup to detonate the warhead at a greater distance from the target, thus not destroying the target fully?

3. Did we fire at the Indian jets at the max ranges when they were running away, hence not being hit in the critical areas to bring them down immediately?

The PL12/15 missiles all use discrete continuous rod warheads. After the warhead explodes, it will form many circular steel bars to cut the target, and the power is sufficient.



The killing range of this type of warhead is extremely large, so there is no problem of insufficient killing power.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Yeah, faaz is, I’m referring to the sd10 here

I'm very confused now. My post that you quoted asked about the motor on Faaz. You replied that Faaz was just an SD-10, which you then clarified was a license-built SD-10. So is Faaz-1 a license-built SD-10 or a reverse-engineered SD-10? If it's the latter, what's the origin of the motors?

 

[Aziqbal]

AFM in Pakistan

sharing my copy

 

[Fatman17]

Duplicate thread. Posted already

 

[ghazi52]

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[bravo_1]

Faaz-1=reverse engineered SD-10, like Barq
We were probably allowed to do this because the Chinese dont care anymore

SD-10 we assemble.

With Faaz we just dont have enough details to make any assertions beyond it being a variant of the SD-10, probably an unlicensed copy- i dont know how local it can be considering we dont make the stuff needed

And what about faaz-2? Isn't now Turkiye is on board with us on this??

 

[flyingorca]

7-0 ....

This is about the so called 0 :

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AEW&CS destroyed at Bholari Airbase, confirmation.

Damaged not destroyed Le Indian.