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[Ak01]

I'm aware but I don't like defeatism, strategies can be taken to remedy the situation there - without going off topic.

But our air force is useless if it can't carry out operations uninterrupted in the face of Indian missile barrages.

And then there's the issue of the Rocket Force being useless if we can't produce enough stocks every year, and with high quality tech. Domestic industry is fucked, Chinese just want to make money, truth is we are nationally incompetent and the air force has been an outlier, not the rule. If it follows the rule, things will get even worse.

Officer class and strategists are probably not that smart either...

the problem is, we also do set unrealistic goals and expectations.

We often find ourselves comparing us to other producers, ignoring the fundamental problem which is that we're literally a poor country. We're forced to have a defence industry because we cant afford to import alot of the times (or just cant due to restrictions), and thus are forced to produce ourselves. But being poor, and with a lack of industry, we have to import most of the bits anyway, driving costs up, but because costs are driven up, production is slashed, thus driving costs up more, or otoh, to save cost we have minimal production facilities etc.

We simply dont have scale by our side. I really think we need to form an MBDA like setup with a few countries to be able to maximise scale and drop costs. Pak, Turk, KSA, etc...

 

[hasssanali8998]

MBDA like setup with a few countries to be able to maximise scale and drop costs. Pak, Turk, KSA, etc.

yep this is what i was thinking for missiles force , keep it conventional and join hands with ksa,turkey .

but like putt putt said people just dont trust us with missiles and such

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

the problem is, we also do set unrealistic goals and expectations.

We often find ourselves comparing us to other producers, ignoring the fundamental problem which is that we're literally a poor country. We're forced to have a defence industry because we cant afford to import alot of the times (or just cant due to restrictions), and thus are forced to produce ourselves. But being poor, and with a lack of industry, we have to import most of the bits anyway, driving costs up, but because costs are driven up, production is slashed, thus driving costs up more, or otoh, to save cost we have minimal production facilities etc.

We simply dont have scale by our side. I really think we need to form an MBDA like setup with a few countries to be able to maximise scale and drop costs. Pak, Turk, KSA, etc...

I do agree that in many areas we'll have to pursue multi-national consortiums because we aren't a huge industrial giant like China or USA or even India but surely a country of 240 million can at least do better in many areas than it currently is. There are many areas where our incompetency and lack of vision lets ourselves down.

Of course a fully in-house supply chain for complex things is not possible, that's something only China can do, but maximising aspects and building areas of industries that are realistically achievable should be a goal.

 

[Ibbi32]

yep this is what i was thinking for missiles force , keep it conventional and join hands with ksa,turkey .

but like putt putt said people just dont trust us with missiles and such

We first need a proper missile industry. Most of our long range attack vectors are handcrafted exquisites for nuclear command

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

We should shift the missile discussion to the rocket force section or missile section

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Back to Air Force discussion, is airfields in Balochistan or some kind of mountain complexes a viable solution in the event of Indian missile barrages at air bases?

 

[Ibbi32]

We first need a proper missile industry. Most of our long range attack vectors are handcrafted exquisites for nuclear command

I think to fundementally change this you need a bottom up approach building up capacity and sophistication from organisations that have some industrial capacity like POF instead of going top down and muddying the waters even more

 

[AeronautIR]

Our air fields and logistics are extremely vulnerable to missile barrages, what is the solution apart from basic dispersal ops?

We need something genuinely viable for uninterrupted ops, not a band aid.

Airfields deeper into Balochistan? Mountain complexes?

I can imagine a scenario where India tries to launch 100+ missiles per airbase at the beginning of a war.

Not this again, 100+ missiles per base. How many launch platforms they have?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Not this again, 100+ missiles per base. How many launch platforms they have?

It's India, I wouldn't rest my chances on hopes they don't have hundreds of TEL trucks. Not exactly expensive especially for them.

Even if we lower the number the same threat is there at different scales

 

[AeronautIR]

It's India, I wouldn't rest my chances on hopes they don't have hundreds of TEL trucks. Not exactly expensive especially for them.

Even if we lower the number the same threat is there at different scales

Alright then. PAF will be destroyed on ground in next conflict I guess.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Alright then. PAF will be destroyed on ground in next conflict I guess.

Instead of being immature, put forward an argument or a counter in front of valid concerns.

 

[AeronautIR]

Instead of being immature, put forward an argument or a counter in front of valid concerns.

Nope, done with this mature debate since May. You can continue with this alarmist attitude. I am sure India can't do what you are imagining.

 

[Cipher212]

Not this again, 100+ missiles per base. How many launch platforms they have?

They're not going to ground the PAF indefinitely but in the current situation, they can make it hell by just hitting runways and taxiways all day long. 2-3 impacts a day on the runways of Sargodha, Bholari, Jacobabad, Kamra etc. will be more than enough. Assuming a short conflict of 2-3 weeks fought purely in the air.

We don't have the same reach into India except for their western most airbases, and if we do there's still the matter of our weapons needing to fly for longer distances before they reach their targets.

Already seeing some signs of shuffling from PAF (at least I think) like lengthening runways on secondary airbases and possibly procuring new SAMs and stand off weaponry.

Still, this is something to think about because all other capabilities are covered. Indians are not going to buy or make anything that allows them to outrange PAF in the air.

 

[Raider 21]

They're not going to ground the PAF indefinitely but in the current situation, they can make it hell by just hitting runways and taxiways all day long. 2-3 impacts a day on the runways of Sargodha, Bholari, Jacobabad, Kamra etc. will be more than enough. Assuming a short conflict of 2-3 weeks fought purely in the air.

We don't have the same reach into India except for their western most airbases, and if we do there's still the matter of our weapons needing to fly for longer distances before they reach their targets.

Already seeing some signs of shuffling from PAF (at least I think) like lengthening runways on secondary airbases and possibly procuring new SAMs and stand off weaponry.

Still, this is something to think about because all other capabilities are covered. Indians are not going to buy or make anything that allows them to outrange PAF in the air.

@AeronautIR came from there, has flown with them extensively and is quite knowledgeable with regards to warfare, not to mention coming from a big family of active fighter pilots (including himself). He does have a much better idea than most of us here.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

@AeronautIR came from there, has flown with them extensively and is quite knowledgeable with regards to warfare, not to mention coming from a big family of active fighter pilots (including himself). He does have a much better idea than most of us here.

I am sure this is true, but what good is the forum if you just state this without putting forward your own side of the analysis?

I hope you know the average person here is not someone special in the defence sector or military.

 

[Raider 21]

I am sure this is true, but what good is the forum if you just state this without putting forward your own side of the analysis?

I hope you know the average person here is not someone special in the defence sector or military.

You'd probably know better then