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[Yasser76]

Could we call this, PAF second line service.

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Fake photo, look at the dimensions of some of the aircraft compared to others and the pilots

 

[Jango]

Fake photo, look at the dimensions of some of the aircraft compared to others and the pilots

The shadows don't match, F7 is definitely photoshopped.

 

[Qureshi]

Aside from what you people pointed out, take a look at the ex-PIA A300, which was never used by the Air Force. It is definitely phoney.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Aside from what you people pointed out, take a look at the ex-PIA A300, which was never used by the Air Force. It is definitely phoney.

Actually thats a 310 gifted to Mush by the qatris....it was used extensively by the PAF n lated given to PIA

 

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[Yasser76]

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Talking air power. Pakistani Chief Marshall Zaheer Ahmed Babar Sidhu and SAAF Chief, Lieutenant General Wiseman Mbambo.
Strengthening ties between the Pakistani and South African air forces in line with bilateral military co-operation programmes is topping the agenda during Air Chief Marshall Zaheer Ahmed Babar Sidhu’s six-day visit.

He and his entourage were met at the flagship SAAF transport base – Waterkloof – by South African Air Force (SAAF) Chief, Lieutenant General Wiseman Mbambo, after touching down in a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Bombardier Global Express (J-758).

The high level PAF visit is the second to see a Chief of Air Staff call on the SAAF three-star this year. The first was India’s Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Vivek Ram Chaudhari, in May.

Both the Sidhu and Chaudhari visits were reported by SAAF communication personnel as being to strengthen military ties and co-operation.

First stop for the PAF delegation was the SAAF College in Thaba Tshwane and then on to Bays Hill and the SAAF Memorial, north of what is now the Air Force Mobile Deployment Wing (AF MDW), previously Air Force Base (AFB) Swartkop, the oldest operational base in the SAAF inventory.

The first day of the visit (29 July) was given over to what Corporal Sherildean Mamba reported as “activities designed to strengthen the collaborative ties between the two countries”. She reported further Sidhu’s visit as being of “great significance” to both countries but did not elaborate on his itinerary.

By contrast the Chaudhari visit in May listed stops at all three SAAF bases – Langebaanweg, Overberg and Ysterplaat – in the Western Cape province with a special mention for the SAAF Museum at Ysterplaat.

Pakistani Chief of Air Staff in South Africa - defenceWeb

Strengthening ties between the Pakistani and South African air forces in line with bilateral military co-operation programmes is topping the agenda during Air Chief Marshall Zaheer Ahmed Babar Sidhu’s six-day visit. He and his entourage were met at the flagship SAAF transport base – Waterkloof –...

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[MirageBlue]

That is well defined by the nature of the professional architecture regarding flying ops and logging of hours within PAF.


Unfortunately lately, the hours haven't been as high as they used to be on average. Higher than Indians but not as high as where Paks were at.

Having watched Kaiser Tufail's interviews/podcasts on YT, he states clearly that he flew for 3 years on the F-16s in the 1980s and logged ~500 hours.

That worked out to ~150 hours per year.

When he flew the F-7, he logged ~100 hours for the entire year that he was posted to the squadron that flew F-7s.

Perfectly reasonable.

Those are the figures that he gave, very different from all the fluffed up exaggerated figures people like to make up on forums.

 

[MirageBlue]

Just FYI for some who may not be aware - talking to flight hours at 240 per year doesn’t mean isolated hours. Each hour is accompanied by several hours of brief and debrief as well. So if we average out to 6 hours for each flight hour its 1450 hours per year on flying related activities. Then add additional learning, ground activities, staff tasks and so on.

240 flight hours per pilot and then with a claimed ratio of 2 pilots per fighter in the PAF!

Just think about how illogical that sounds, when you're talking about nearly 2*240= 480 hours of flying time per airframe per year (even if slightly reduced with reserves being used, but still well over 400 hours).

JF-17s would've been out of airframe life in 10 years at such a high rate of usage. F-16s in 20 years, whereas in reality they're slogging on nearly 40 years after induction.

But then, no one wants to use logic, just to puff up their chest and convince themselves of some mythical numbers to feel good.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

I wonder if the 240 flight hours include non-flying time and simulator flight time etc. That seems like a high number. Perhaps a pilot or someone with aviation knowledge could clarify better.

As per AI:

Beyond Actual Flight Time:

Simulator Time: Although not directly counted as flight time, simulator hours are crucial for maintaining proficiency, practicing emergency procedures, and learning new tactics. While not directly contributing to the total flight hour count, it's integral to a pilot's overall training and readiness.

Ground Operations: This encompasses pre-flight and post-flight checks, mission planning, debriefings, and other ground-based duties directly related to flight operations. Though not in the cockpit, these activities are essential to the overall mission.

Instructor Pilot Duties: Many experienced pilots become instructor pilots. While training other pilots, they are often in the cockpit for simulator or airborne training, contributing to their overall time spent in a flight-related environment.

Standby and Alert Duties: Pilots on standby or alert status are considered to be on duty, even if they don't fly. This time contributes to their overall workload and availability.

 

[Oscar]

240 flight hours per pilot and then with a claimed ratio of 2 pilots per fighter in the PAF!

Just think about how illogical that sounds, when you're talking about nearly 2*240= 480 hours of flying time per airframe per year (even if slightly reduced with reserves being used, but still well over 400 hours).

JF-17s would've been out of airframe life in 10 years at such a high rate of usage. F-16s in 20 years, whereas in reality they're slogging on nearly 40 years after induction.

But then, no one wants to use logic, just to puff up their chest and convince themselves of some mythical numbers to feel good.

Please read the context on when the flight hours were achieved instead of trying out averaged airframe times.

2 pilots(no longer the case) per airframe is counted with non regular staff officers.

If it doesn’t compute to you in context - you can agree to disagree and feel good about yourself

 

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