Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions

[BrigSmart]

Retired Air Comadore Khalid Chisti has known the current PAF Air Chief for 40 odd years, meets him regularly and gave an interview very recently going into great details about how the 200K+ range of the PL-15 has outsticked and neutralised the Rafale. Suggest you go watch it on YouTub. The ‘E’ infront of the misile code and perceived reduced range is just to avoid any undue alarm in certain capitals. Bet the IAF chief knows very well the real range, hence why zero chance of IAF doing jack shit in the current scenario.

Frankly, both Indian and Pakistani sources will have heavy bias to talk up / down the capabilities of their/ other side's systems. I am going to place my reliance on neutral credible sources, but I respect your right to believe what you want to. Let us just move on.

 

[Agha Sher]

Pakistan should over the next 5 years invest heavily in the Air Force. Once done, Pakistan should seek a decisive conflict with India to liberate Kashmir, liberate the rest of Punjab and take Gujarat (to secure Karachi from Naval Blockades).

The following aircrafts would be needed to achieve a decisive air superiority in 2030.

36x J-35
36x KE B
18x Anka III
54x J-10C
150 JF-17C

 

[BrigSmart]

Pakistan should over the next 5 years invest heavily in the Air Force. Once done, Pakistan should seek a decisive conflict with India to liberate Kashmir, liberate the rest of Punjab and take Gujarat (to secure Karachi from Naval Blockades).

The following aircrafts would be needed to achieve a decisive air superiority in 2030.

36x J-35
36x KE B
18x Anka III
54x J-10C
150 JF-17C

Do you think India, with a 10+x GDP will watch and do nothing as the PAF tries to gain a technological edge ? It seems the US is willing to sell F-35s. India will have a shopping budget about 10 times that of Pakistan.

An arms race doesn't help either side, but, given the state of the Pakistan economy, it will hurt Pakistan much more than India .

 

[TAC]

Frankly, both Indian and Pakistani sources will have heavy bias to talk up / down the capabilities of their/ other side's systems. I am going to place my reliance on neutral credible sources, but I respect your right to believe what you want to. Let us just move on.

No probs at all with that but if IAF has not found itself outsticked why are they not going to do anything despite all the bravado and chest thumping by the Indian media and Modi & co?

 

[Yasser76]

Do you think India, with a 10+x GDP will watch and do nothing as the PAF tries to gain a technological edge ? It seems the US is willing to sell F-35s. India will have a shopping budget about 10 times that of Pakistan.

An arms race doesn't help either side, but, given the state of the Pakistan economy, it will hurt Pakistan much more than India .

You had a larger shopping basket in 2019 too....

 

[BrigSmart]

No probs at all with that but if IAF has not found itself outsticked why are they not going to do anything despite all the bravado and chest thumping by the Indian media and Modi & co?

In my opinion, India is exploring other spectrums of national power ( diplomatic, economic). Right now, both India and Pakistan have some diplomatic leverage. Whoever fires the first shot will lose that leverage. The international community does not have the appetite for another conflict. The Economist recently published an article saying that India should make the evidence public and take military action only after that. India does care about its international diplomatic standing. If her goals can be accomplished without firing a bullet, she would prefer that. The NIA is still collecting all the evidence. Military action could still be taken, but there is no reason for India to rush into it. What is more important is to send a strong unequivocal message of deterrence, rather than the exact date or manner in which it is sent.

 

[Yasser76]

In my opinion, India is exploring other spectrums of national power ( diplomatic, economic). Right now, both India and Pakistan have some diplomatic leverage. Whoever fires the first shot will lose that leverage. The international community does not have the appetite for another conflict. The Economist recently published an article saying that India should make the evidence public and take military action only after that. India does care about its international diplomatic standing. If her goals can be accomplished without firing a bullet, she would prefer that. The NIA is still collecting all the evidence. Military action could still be taken, but there is no reason for India to rush into it. What is more important is to send a strong unequivocal message of deterrence, rather than the exact date or manner in which it is sent.

Lots of words to just say you lost your balls

 

[Agha Sher]

Do you think India, with a 10+x GDP will watch and do nothing as the PAF tries to gain a technological edge ? It seems the US is willing to sell F-35s. India will have a shopping budget about 10 times that of Pakistan.

An arms race doesn't help either side, but, given the state of the Pakistan economy, it will hurt Pakistan much more than India .

The US will not sell you F-35s. Forget about it. You will either have to opt for the russian trash or wait for your domestic solution (inferior and not ready before 2040 at least). Pakistan already has somewhat the tech edge in the air.

 

[BrigSmart]

The US will not sell you F-35s. Forget about it. You will either have to opt for the russian trash or wait for your domestic solution (inferior and not ready before 2040 at least). Pakistan already has somewhat the tech edge in the air.

Why wouldn't the US sell India F-35s when JD Vance explicitly urged India to consider buying them when he visited? India has no strategic conflict with the US and can afford to pay for the planes with her own money if she needs them. If fact, the other 3 members of the Quad already operate F-35s, so it makes all the sense for the US to ensure that the fourth one does too. If the pushback comes, it will be from the Indian side.

India still has a qualitative as well as quantitative edge over Pakistan.

 

[Zarvan]

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He talked to some guys and he says it was two Rafale and two SU 30 they were flying close to LOC and most probably looking for a target to strike. F 16 was already in the Air plus BLOCK III was dispatched and BLOCK III achieved target lock on one Rafale. Which led to them to backing off.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

First of all. Technically, you're right.
China does not export the PL-15, China only exports the PL-15E.
Or, let me put it another way. Any PL-15 AAM exported by China, at the time it is exported, it's type code changes to PL-15E.

Secondly. China is a developing country and is technologically “backward”. Therefore, the “performance error” of our weapons is very large. For example, the following export rocket shells, the nominal range is 290KM, but their “error” may reach 700KM. we are technologically “backward”, this is a normal phenomenon.
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Therefore, we can only ensure that the PL-15E exported to PAF has an effective strike capability at 145KM in the forward part of the flight. If it is “unfortunate” to shoot down IAF fighters at 200KM. This is due to our “technological backwardness error”. Please don't be surprised.

Good one. Too Good.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Excellent analysis of preparations from both sides. Limitations of IAF and much more by ACM (R) Ammar Masood on Fahad Hussain podcast. Real stuff is after @35:00

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He talked to some guys and he says it was two Rafale and two SU 30 they were flying close to LOC and most probably looking for a target to strike. F 16 was already in the Air plus BLOCK III was dispatched and BLOCK III achieved target lock on one Rafale. Which led to them to backing off.

strike packages are in larger numbers. 2 x Rafale, 2 x Su-30MKI sounds legit. but how are they communicating? is there a data link?

Su-30MKI - MiG21 combo was operational six years ago.

this combo is first properly identified.

 

[Bratva]

Possibly.

Or it might be justified. Haseeb Paracha, Ahsan Rafique and a few others......guilty by ACM Babur Sidhu

Why Haseeb Paracha?

 

[CombatCorner]

Pakistani ROSE Mirages on strike roles with the NESCOM H-4 Stand off Weapon (SOW), with a 120 km range.

They were used in 2019 on Indian military targets in Occupied Kashmir, as ‘warning shots’ deliberately manoeuvred away, exploding just around Indian troops.