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[CSAW]

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[Fatman17]

 

[m52k85]

Pakistan will need add more layers to its IAD, there is no doubt about that. This is the most efficient solution in adding more number in the Akash/Spyder/LY-80 category of defences given Pakistan has a huge stock of SD-10s (1000+ by my last count) and in house production in future. These SD-10s will become available as our full Jf-17 fleet transitions to PL-15.

Yes, there is no doubt, the full fleet will not only need to be transitioned but can do so easily/efficiently given most shots in the contemporary battle space, especially on home turf in DCAP/ BARCAP roles are taken with radar off.

 

[Raider 21]

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Fatman. The top picture....look at it again. Does it look legitimate? The Daily Telegraph doesn't type like that......

 

[Oscar]

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I doubt the veracity of the latter picture - there is NO female or Male pilot captured but am happy to be proven wrong later.
The video of the men running was towards a different type of PoW.

 

[Raider 21]

I doubt the veracity of the latter picture - there is NO female or Male pilot captured but am happy to be proven wrong later.
The video of the men running was towards a different type of PoW.

Yeah that looks like a picture of a female IAF officer but with navigator wings or similar.

Sensational claims creates more forum posts leading to useless speculation.

 

[Oscar]

Yeah that looks like a picture of a female IAF officer but with navigator wings or similar.

Sensational claims creates more forum posts leading to useless speculation.

As I mentioned on the main thread - the more people involved in a conspiracy(to Hide this supposed lady) - the more chances it would be that something more substantial would leak. Not like OPSEC is practiced that well by lower ranks.

 

[Fatman17]

PAF TT

 

[Yasser76]

Think after this there will be some interesting things happening to PAF

1) Certainly now it will be regarded as one of the world's premier air forces. In fact, probably the most lethal air force out there not equipped with 5th Gen fighters. No debate.
2) Allies will want to learn a lot and gain PAF training. Certainly the likes of Turkey and Azeris are a no brainer considering the friendship and how they stood by us. I would now expect massive interest in learning training (both cadet level and CCS level) from the major Arab countries, SE Asian countries and Central Asian countries
3) I see the relationship with PLAAF growing even closer. Chinese will want to learn everything and of course seek input in what worked well and what can be improved. We are already on the road map for J-35 but may well look at enhancements to SAMs and certainly Cyber/EW
4) Looks like again Erieye played a major role and if some accounts are to be believed acted as 3rd party guidance for the PL-15s. These units are getting old and at some pint IAF will learn to counter these. Well worth developing an update with the Swedish/Chinese help
5) My personal opinion is now, other then Turkey, cooperation oon equipment and training should cease with NATO. Even UK. Combination of Chinese, Turkish and Pakistani tech should be the single priority. It is clear Europe/NATO sees China as a threat, and now I think they will be desperate for insights into the tech and tactics. Relationship with China should come first and we need to ensure they carry on trusting us with sensitive tech
6) CCA/ACE should be comprehensively updated and PAF sqds should train there en masse on a regular basis. It is clear that a lot of the tactics that went on during the large air battle between IAF/PAF were well rehearsed. A Red Flag/Anatolian Eagle set up (two major exercises with foreign partcipation) should be done
7) The complete BVR Nature of the air battle and no real use of the F-7 means these fleets should be retired, even in a training capacity. JF-17 with CM-400 missile payed major role, so maybe now the Mirage/Raad combo needs to go?

 

[mulj]

Think after this there will be some interesting things happening to PAF

1) Certainly now it will be regarded as one of the world's premier air forces. In fact, probably the most lethal air force out there not equipped with 5th Gen fighters. No debate.
2) Allies will want to learn a lot and gain PAF training. Certainly the likes of Turkey and Azeris are a no brainer considering the friendship and how they stood by us. I would now expect massive interest in learning training (both cadet level and CCS level) from the major Arab countries, SE Asian countries and Central Asian countries
3) I see the relationship with PLAAF growing even closer. Chinese will want to learn everything and of course seek input in what worked well and what can be improved. We are already on the road map for J-35 but may well look at enhancements to SAMs and certainly Cyber/EW
4) Looks like again Erieye played a major role and if some accounts are to be believed acted as 3rd party guidance for the PL-15s. These units are getting old and at some pint IAF will learn to counter these. Well worth developing an update with the Swedish/Chinese help
5) My personal opinion is now, other then Turkey, cooperation oon equipment and training should cease with NATO. Even UK. Combination of Chinese, Turkish and Pakistani tech should be the single priority. It is clear Europe/NATO sees China as a threat, and now I think they will be desperate for insights into the tech and tactics. Relationship with China should come first and we need to ensure they carry on trusting us with sensitive tech
6) CCA/ACE should be comprehensively updated and PAF sqds should train there en masse on a regular basis. It is clear that a lot of the tactics that went on during the large air battle between IAF/PAF were well rehearsed. A Red Flag/Anatolian Eagle set up (two major exercises with foreign partcipation) should be done
7) The complete BVR Nature of the air battle and no real use of the F-7 means these fleets should be retired, even in a training capacity. JF-17 with CM-400 missile payed major role, so maybe now the Mirage/Raad combo needs to go?

not much but you should convert those in drone projectile type of devices, could be helpful for certain missions.

 

[Fasbre2]

Think after this there will be some interesting things happening to PAF

1) Certainly now it will be regarded as one of the world's premier air forces. In fact, probably the most lethal air force out there not equipped with 5th Gen fighters. No debate.
2) Allies will want to learn a lot and gain PAF training. Certainly the likes of Turkey and Azeris are a no brainer considering the friendship and how they stood by us. I would now expect massive interest in learning training (both cadet level and CCS level) from the major Arab countries, SE Asian countries and Central Asian countries
3) I see the relationship with PLAAF growing even closer. Chinese will want to learn everything and of course seek input in what worked well and what can be improved. We are already on the road map for J-35 but may well look at enhancements to SAMs and certainly Cyber/EW
4) Looks like again Erieye played a major role and if some accounts are to be believed acted as 3rd party guidance for the PL-15s. These units are getting old and at some pint IAF will learn to counter these. Well worth developing an update with the Swedish/Chinese help
5) My personal opinion is now, other then Turkey, cooperation oon equipment and training should cease with NATO. Even UK. Combination of Chinese, Turkish and Pakistani tech should be the single priority. It is clear Europe/NATO sees China as a threat, and now I think they will be desperate for insights into the tech and tactics. Relationship with China should come first and we need to ensure they carry on trusting us with sensitive tech
6) CCA/ACE should be comprehensively updated and PAF sqds should train there en masse on a regular basis. It is clear that a lot of the tactics that went on during the large air battle between IAF/PAF were well rehearsed. A Red Flag/Anatolian Eagle set up (two major exercises with foreign partcipation) should be done
7) The complete BVR Nature of the air battle and no real use of the F-7 means these fleets should be retired, even in a training capacity. JF-17 with CM-400 missile payed major role, so maybe now the Mirage/Raad combo needs to go?

Agree but PAF needs to be less brash and show off and learn to not reveal too much in the excitement of things.
Too much was revealed in the pressers.. should have let the Indians scratch their heads first the next few years trying to figure what happened instead of handing it over on a plate to them and the Israelis..

Indians don’t need to figure out what happened, now they have been told and as a result will know what immediate remedial actions are required..

PAF should be like IDF/AF, let its actions speak louder than words…

 

[Yasser76]

Agree but PAF needs to be less brash and show off and learn to not reveal too much in the excitement of things.
Too much was revealed in the pressers.. should have let the Indians scratch their heads first the next few years trying to figure what happened instead of handing it over on a plate to them and the Israelis..

Indians don’t need to figure out what happened, now they have been told and as a result will know what immediate remedial actions are required..

PAF should be like IDF/AF, let its actions speak louder than words…

Very true, but there is a PR battle too, Indians master at misinfo

 

[studsmart]

Dies any one know the detsils of 6th aircraft kill clamined by AVM yesterday. The first 5 are --- 3 rafael,1 mig 29upg and 1 su30mki . What the 6th one?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Dies any one know the detsils of 6th aircraft kill clamined by AVM yesterday. The first 5 are --- 3 rafael,1 mig 29upg and 1 su30mki . What the 6th one?

a large drone/uav I think.

 

[Yasser76]

Dies any one know the detsils of 6th aircraft kill clamined by AVM yesterday. The first 5 are --- 3 rafael,1 mig 29upg and 1 su30mki . What the 6th one?

Heron drone, although surprised we regard that as a proper "kill"