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Both sides need to be held to same yardstick of truth and dare.

India needs to accept the number of aircraft lost. There is no getting away from that.

Same holds good for any claims of attack against ground targets.

The claim by India of destroying F-16 ac is just a claim as the damage on a hangar is just that and nothing more.

Similarly, Pakistan’s claims against Indian targets are hollow, till something credible is provided. Not hazy pictures and videos but something that can be accepted by credible OSINT.

And that is a picture showing the damage clearly.
I agree with you that Pakistan lacks satellite images to prove the damages that have been claimed. That being said, it does not mean that Pakistan has not struck inside India. It has and has been admitted by Indian officials during press briefings. The only one image that was credible is the damage at Udhampur airbase. There is nothing else I can observe that shows damages.

That being said about the ground strikes, the gauntlet has been thrown on the Rafalesserial number for the air warn. Its up to you guys to now prove of its existence. In hindsight,
This source that was published wasn't pulled out from thin air by the way. It was more or less verified by Alan Warnes himself after his visit to Pakistan. Indians can either choose to disprove his claims, or hide their heads underground. There is no third option in this.
 
if you are willing to hide aircraft losses, what else are you hiding?!!

Didn’t CDS accept the loss of fighters? Who is hiding it?
They haven’t declared the exact numbers.
And I disagree with that.

The aspect of loss of IAF fighters is well established. IAF not declaring the exact numbers and type is of no value.

You can keep adding one Rafale per month for all you want. Plus half a dozen crippled but landed safely. Plus 18-20 locked on and let go out of graciousness and large hearted ness. I wouldn’t say anything.

But please don’t claim any success on ground attacks since BuM was a complete dud. That would fall in cope category.

Bring good quality Sat pictures and I would be the first one to acknowledge it.
 
You need to have conventionally armed cruise missiles for that...

It performed really well, the 40N6 at Dinga knows it too ;)
yeah man the 40N6es wreckage is lying in a field also you say the supposed fire in dinga is a saab erieye but how come it was not recorded by people in different areas as it was falling from he sky.. we got the video of the rafale falling rom the sky in bhatinda and the su30 in akhnoor..how come a plane as large as a saab 2000 didn't made any flash in the sky or fireball as it descended from the sky cuz regular people even recorded artillery shells moving but not a plane??also an area cant be cornered off that quickly so no video up close can be made..it was only a fire burning at night and darkness...
 
yeah man the 40N6es wreckage is lying in a field also you say the supposed fire in dinga is a saab erieye but how come it was not recorded by people in different areas as it was falling from he sky.. we got the video of the rafale falling rom the sky in bhatinda and the su30 in akhnoor..how come a plane as large as a saab 2000 didn't made any flash in the sky or fireball as it descended from the sky cuz regular people even recorded artillery shells moving but not a plane??also an area cant be cornered off that quickly so no video up close can be made..it was only a fire burning at night and darkness...
The same was the wreckage of something as large as Su-30 MKI was "hidden" along with 3-4 Rafales.

Whatever it was, it was burning violently which wouldn't likely happen if it crashed in the open and exploded. And would be launched if it gets the target in it's range. Who knows.
 
The same was the wreckage of something as large as Su-30 MKI was "hidden" along with 3-4 Rafales.

Whatever it was, it was burning violently which wouldn't likely happen if it crashed in the open and exploded. And would be launched if it gets the target in it's range. Who knows.
hello Hotshot!
you do not understand PAF is small force - Tightly knit together - unlike IAF its huge! plus since long ago its consider "Go" to military branch - it remains in public focus. losses if occurred cannot be remain hidden.

you need to understand this..Saab 2000 crew would have died if S-400 had hit it --where are there funerals.
 
Cope Harder :)
Who gave all of these Rafales the Reg number as "BS"? :oops:
 
Firefighting vehicles, ambulances racing towards the Barnala AFS? Seems strange? Isn't it?

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I got Gemini pro to analyse the images mentioned with this question: From the image above. Does it look like tarp? ( Without including any Pakistan-India reference)

Based on the visual evidence in the image, the coverings certainly look like tarps, though they appear to be of two different types or used in different stages.

Let's break it down by looking at the two satellite images provided:


March 2025 Image​


The covering seen in this image is a large, multi-colored (green, yellow, brown) sheet with a distinct pattern. This is very characteristic of camouflage netting or a large camouflage-patterned tarp. These are often used to conceal structures or activities from aerial view. While it functions as a cover, its primary purpose appears to be concealment rather than just weather protection.


August 2025 Image​


In this later image, the situation has changed. The description explicitly labels the darker, more solid-colored sheets as "Tarps used to cover damaged area." These look like typical heavy-duty tarpaulins—often blue, green, or grey—that are commonly used in construction, disaster recovery, and for covering damaged roofs. Their appearance is consistent with how tarps look when spread over an uneven surface; you can see some creasing and how they conform to the shape of the debris or damaged structure underneath.


So, to summarize:


  • The March image shows what looks like a camouflage tarp or netting, likely for concealment.
  • The August image shows what appear to be standard, heavy-duty tarps used for the practical purpose of covering up damage and protecting the area from the elements, just as we discussed.

It definitely looks like the situation at this location evolved, with the initial camouflage covering being replaced by more conventional tarps following damage or demolition work.


My conclusion : Definitely some damages based on the information above and Alan Warnes wasn't bullshitting on this. Must have seen something to have verified this in his publications. Actually, we shouldn't be even questioning his auntheticy in the first place. All in all there is at least 2 images of Pakistan's strike: Udhampur Airbase, and Barnala ICCS Radar Facility.
 
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Didn’t CDS accept the loss of fighters? Who is hiding it?
They haven’t declared the exact numbers.
And I disagree with that.

The aspect of loss of IAF fighters is well established. IAF not declaring the exact numbers and type is of no value.

You can keep adding one Rafale per month for all you want. Plus half a dozen crippled but landed safely. Plus 18-20 locked on and let go out of graciousness and large hearted ness. I wouldn’t say anything.

But please don’t claim any success on ground attacks since BuM was a complete dud. That would fall in cope category.

Bring good quality Sat pictures and I would be the first one to acknowledge it.
No cope needed this side thanks. We’re not the ones who lost so many of our top jets including Ra-fails that we dare not admit the number.
 
yeah man the 40N6es wreckage is lying in a field also you say the supposed fire in dinga is a saab erieye but how come it was not recorded by people in different areas as it was falling from he sky.. we got the video of the rafale falling rom the sky in bhatinda and the su30 in akhnoor..how come a plane as large as a saab 2000 didn't made any flash in the sky or fireball as it descended from the sky cuz regular people even recorded artillery shells moving but not a plane??also an area cant be cornered off that quickly so no video up close can be made..it was only a fire burning at night and darkness...
Dinga is at a stone's throw from the border. I live almost 30 km away from dinga. Border is less then a 100 km away. What the hell a Saab was doing there when even Sargodha is 200 km inside Pakistani territory in the opposite direction from it.
 
Didn’t CDS accept the loss of fighters? Who is hiding it?
They haven’t declared the exact numbers.
And I disagree with that.

The aspect of loss of IAF fighters is well established. IAF not declaring the exact numbers and type is of no value.

You can keep adding one Rafale per month for all you want. Plus half a dozen crippled but landed safely. Plus 18-20 locked on and let go out of graciousness and large hearted ness. I wouldn’t say anything.

But please don’t claim any success on ground attacks since BuM was a complete dud. That would fall in cope category.

Bring good quality Sat pictures and I would be the first one to acknowledge it.
shivangi!

BS 22
 
Dinga is at a stone's throw from the border. I live almost 30 km away from dinga. Border is less then a 100 km away. What the hell a Saab was doing there when even Sargodha is 200 km inside Pakistani territory in the opposite direction from it.
for Bhatinda they have created Dingo!
 
this is not strictly true- i did some math and an effective subsonic cm is as effective as a supersonic, im a bit busy at the moment but i will re tag you later with a proper post. im a huge supporter of continued subsonic investment
supersonic missile fans need to calm down
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