Pakistan and Kuwait discuss expanded defence pact, sources say

[hussain0216]

If the USA wasn't able to defend Kuwait, how could Pakistan defend them?

They question isn't whether the USA was able to defend Kuwait, the question is had the U.S benefited from decades of providing security support????

The question isn't whether Pakistan can defend the GCC, the question is can we benefit from a multi state alliance, with states who have major resources and trillions in financial reserves????


IF you want to counter India and Afghanistan, then you need to give states a good reason to support you


Pakistan has a massive 250 million population
If the GCC needs manpower, then they will pay for more divisions to be raised

If those divisions then need to be armed, then the GCC will provide funds for Pakistani arms to be purchased



Pakistan requires funding for projects, the GCC can be tapped for funding for MUTUAL GAIN, and Turkey and China can be tapped for technical support or outright ToT



The objective is not to go to war, the objective is to use our good relations with Iran and the GCC to ensure peace is established


It's to push out India and the Zionists

Once Pakistan is in charge of security, we can then request support against India, afghans, BLA etc


Even UAE and Bahrain should be dragged back to its senses



This is how you PLAN FOR THE FUTURE


Our future can't be sitting around, letting others take advantage of the regional needs


It can't be endlessly wasting time waiting for our awam to civilise itself and understand national interests


It can be endlessly knocking out heads against the useless ethnocentrism of our population





What is happening is vital

 

[RescueRanger]

Good discussion everyone, please keep up this kind of momentum. It's so refreshing to come into a thread and see exchange of ideas without bickering and mudslinging.

 

[El Sidd]

What is on offer here is a post theocracy Iran and the new Middle East.

Do you consider that a post intervention Iran would be even more hostile to Gulf states so that they require such guarantees of defense pacts?

Life is never all sunshine and rainbows.

Too many assumptions.

 

[kobra]

Kuwait hasn't given Work Visas to Pakistanis in a couple of decades.

Only to a few White Collar people.

What more we can offer which is US not offering to kuwait to stop Iranian missiles, They have deployed PAC3 there.

Maybe Kuwait should not behave like IEA and stop hosting an entity who is killing men women children in its neighbour!

 

[RescueRanger]

What more we can offer which is US not offering to kuwait to stop Iranian missiles, They have deployed PAC3 there.

Maybe Kuwait should not behave like IEA and stop hosting an entity who is killing men women children in its neighbour!

The reason this region host the US go back to the late 40s and there is a very good reason for it.

I mean Oman had an agreement with the US was early as 1980s and lets not discount the history of this region (1991) so quickly. This region has always been a powder keg waiting to go off.

 

[kobra]

The reason this region host the US go back to the late 40s and there is a very good reason for it.

I mean Oman had an agreement with the US was early as 1980s and lets not discount the history of this region (1991) so quickly. This region has always been a powder keg waiting to go off.

Iran was the biggest US vassal state until 79, things changed after that. I was not looking at political/geograhpical angle rather, the technical one.

How can Pak kuwait defense pact can help kuwait/pakistan stopping these missiles directly!

Indirectly there are many options ofcourse, talking about them is uselss right now.

 

[RescueRanger]

Iran was the biggest US vassal state until 79, things changed after that. I was not looking at political/geograhpical angle rather, the technical one.

How can Pak kuwait defense pact can help kuwait/pakistan stopping these missiles directly!

Indirectly there are many options ofcourse, talking about them is uselss right now.

We cannot look at this region in a technical lense alone. This has all the hallmarks of becoming a regional war, politics and history and how these events are intertwined are important to understand.

What role if any Pakistan will play remains to be seen. None of us here are privy to what that may be and what shape it may take.

 

[Pakistan First]

@RescueRanger This was exactly I was telling yesterday when some of fellow Pakistanis @Watandar and others were devoid of reality and was okay for KSA to be targeted.

We don't understand the number of Pakistanis in gulf states, remittances, financial bail outs + strategic defense pact.

I only wanted us to state facts. The reality can be different then one's wishes but one has to accept the reality. Closing eyes on ground reality is not the way forward.

As far as Iran - US war is concerned, If Iran wants to hit more targets then hit Israel. Why on earth everyone were so hell bent on hitting KSA ? I as a friend was telling them that it would be disasterous for even Iran. As expanded war and as a strategic defense pact we will have to support KSA.

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger This was exactly I was telling yesterday when some of fellow Pakistanis @Watandar and others were devoid of reality and was okay for KSA to be targeted.

We don't understand the number of Pakistanis in gulf states, remittances, financial bail outs + strategic defense pact.

I only wanted us to state facts. The reality can be different then one's wishes but one has to accept the reality. Closing eyes on ground reality is not the way forward.

As far as Iran - US war is concerned, If Iran wants to hit more targets then hit Israel. Why on earth everyone were so hell bent on hitting KSA ? I as a friend was telling them that it would be disasterous for even Iran. As expanded war and as a strategic defense pact we will have to support KSA.

Brother that is perfectly fine, that thread is focused on Iran and it's efforts and space for Iranian members to share opinion.

This thread hopefully will give you an avenue to share your opinion and knowledge with the rest of us.

I look forward to reading more of your posts.

 

[maxpane]

thats good news for Pakistan if we use it properly . we can be sole custodian of middle east

 

[hussain0216]

Do you consider that a post intervention Iran would be even more hostile to Gulf states so that they require such guarantees of defense pacts?

Too many assumptions.

Post war Iran and GCC need to work their problems out

Pakistan is well placed to help in that

If these groups continue to fight then the Zionists and others will continue to use these divisions to cause chaos and conflict

 

[hussain0216]

thats good news for Pakistan if we use it properly . we can be sole custodian of middle east

Think about how we could benefit from funding for MULTIPLE weapons programs, everything from A.D to BVRs to subs

We are already heading this way, so if we can rope in multiple countries then it makes perfect sense

 

[Watandar]

To all the experts saying, “This war is none of our business” and “Pakistan should stay out of it” — perhaps take a moment to understand who is currently keeping Pakistan’s economy alive.

Pakistan’s economy is on life support. And who is providing that life support? The GCC.

Who gave Pakistan funds to shore up its foreign-exchange reserves and stabilize the rupee? The GCC.

Where does a major share of Pakistan’s remittances come from? The GCC.

Who is one of Pakistan’s most important regional export markets? The GCC.

Where does the overwhelming majority of Pakistan’s oil and gas come from? The GCC.

But yes, apparently we should pretend none of this concerns us because typing “stay neutral” on this forum is much easier than understanding basic economics.

The GCC is quite literally Pakistan’s bread and butter. We do not have the luxury of simply ignoring what happens there.

If the GCC is the bread and butter of a big country like Pakistan, a nation of 250 million plus with talented people, all kinds of landscapes, five rivers and access to the ocean, then I would reflect on the deeply misguided policies pursued by the state.

First you weaken your country to the extend that you need bailouts from foreigners and now you tell me that for the sake of these bailouts, we need to sacrifice the lives of our soldiers in foreign wars as well ?

Maybe the focus should be to stand on your own feet instead. This scam of remittances , loans, and deferred oil to run a country is going to collapse sooner than later.

 

[maxpane]

Think about how we could benefit from funding for MULTIPLE weapons programs, everything from A.D to BVRs to subs

We are already heading this way, so if we can rope in multiple countries then it makes perfect sense

we can also get investment for our economy to create job in pakistan as well as in middle east . our huge population need jobs we cant produce all in Pakistan.
As you are saying wepaons will flow automatically

 

[BigMela2onin]

Monsoon is around the corner, we have food insecurity, energy insecurity, a rampant insurgency within our borders, not to mention energy insecurity and a weak economy.

Tangentially related, any recommendations for an english-language analysis of Pakistani economic policy? I'm curious to learn what is leading to Pakistan needing to sign all these deals.