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That reads literally like some sort of Italian gang with 'made men' at the top. So essentially, the rot goes down all to the very lower ranks in some shape or form and is very present at the middle and higher ranks. There has to be some professional cost for all their extra-curricular activities, every man has the same 24 hours in a day.

At a personal level, I have found PAF officers to be far more professional and technical than PA (I've only ever met one retired Navy officer so can't say much about them). This 'divided attention' surely plays big part in this. However this trend is fast changing. PAF is starting to get into 'Shaheen Foundation' umbrella businesses and other shenanigans (still much less than Army).

I would caution that this is not a blanket evaluation of every officer or personnel and is more of the on and off sample set with folks who may be very professionally focused throughout every unit and then folks who are basically unfit and ready for major retirement stage who are using their position to secure their future.

So this analysis cannot be taken as carte blanche to frame every PA officer or for that matter every PAF officer. Im fairly close to PN so there the involvement in extra curriculum activities is less of a share to the PA who by design push scraps to the rest of the forces - essentially the case of “us first” and then later.
This isn’t just confined to business but even appointments in retirement or military attaché positions.

 

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I would caution that this is not a blanket evaluation of every officer or personnel and is more of the on and off sample set with folks who may be very professionally focused throughout every unit and then folks who are basically unfit and ready for major retirement stage who are using their position to secure their future.

So this analysis cannot be taken as carte blanche to frame every PA officer or for that matter every PAF officer. Im fairly close to PN so there the involvement in extra curriculum activities is less of a share to the PA who by design push scraps to the rest of the forces - essentially the case of “us first” and then later.
This isn’t just confined to business but even appointments in retirement or military attaché positions.

Of course not carte blanche. If it was then there'd be no Pakistan. We'd be invaded ten times over by countless parties.

BUT there is no doubt ke chai paani ka pura intazaam kia hua hay boys nay. Especially post retirement. What this takes away from the core purpose of war fighting it's hard to say.

 

[Oscar]

Of course not carte blanche. If it was then there'd be no Pakistan. We'd be invaded ten times over by countless parties.

BUT there is no doubt ke chai paani ka pura intazaam kia hua hay boys nay. Especially post retirement. What this takes away from the core purpose of war fighting it's hard to say.

Off course - and this is where I think the overall history frames how the PA thinks and why it does what it does. There is a bit of unfortunate events of history and those have simply amplified the existing tendencies. So when Gen Karamat says the Army reflects the people he is not wrong at all.
The intake of who went into the military from partition prior to who goes into the officer cadre today and its selection is very reflective of current states.

That aspect I will leave to a later discussion but ties back to overall society and maybe my bias as someone from a military family