Pakistan Constitutional Amendments:

[313Ghazi]

The 27th amendment to the constitution of Pakistan includes a clause granting all 5 star Generals immunity from prosecution after retirement.

I have three questions, perhaps they ought to be addressed to the so called Council of Islamic Ideology, which provides Islamic advice to the government and parliament of Pakistan.

1. Does Allah swt grant immunity from prosecution to anyone, other than those who are children, or not of sound mind?

2. Was Hazrat Ali (RA) immune from prosecution?

3. Did the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) state his own daughter would face justice if she commited a crime?

 

[Olympus81]

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The guy is rotting in jail, but some of our friends have put the blame on TTA TTP BLA on him and his parliamentarian colleagues.

Anyways, have to sympathize with the Sharifs and Zardaris here. The amendment must have been shoved up their behind to get parliamentary approval. Deep down they wouldn’t be happy with this amendment.

 

[Forsvaret]

Be realistic - we were and are under the Rule of the Military and it will NOT change.

It changed for East Pakistanis in 1971.

 

[313Ghazi]

Yes it does actually - like winning wars.
Since you have just waken up from your hiberation, there some news for you -- the whole damn country has been under the weight of Army's balls since 1947. But the only difference is that at least they WIN a War. And winning a war is the REAL DEAL unlike winning a cricket match and banging western chics, and then all of sudden discover "pain for Pakistan people" while married to a JEW.
Be realistic - we were and are under the Rule of the Military and it will NOT change. Imran is not getting out nor he is becoming a PM ever again.

We need to work with what we have and remain united. We cannot destroy our country for just one fuking man.

It's funny, depending on how you think - the last sentence could apply to multiple different men.

If dictatorship was going to help Pakistan, it would have done so during the rule of Ayub, Yayha, Zia and Musharraf. But lets continue supporting the same failed model.

Lets unify under the umbrella of dictators, corrupt politicians and judges, waderas, Tribal leaders etc. It's led us to so much success so far.

 

[Forsvaret]

Anyways, have to sympathize with the Sharifs and Zardaris here. The amendment must have been shoved up their behind to get parliamentary approval. Deep down they wouldn’t be happy with this amendment.

Actually, the Sharifs and Zardaris are completely fine with such "constitutional" amendments as long they too are getting lifetime immunity from any prosecution in the future.

 

[Olympus81]

Actually, the Sharifs and Zardaris are completely fine with such "constitutional" amendments as long they too are getting lifetime immunity from any prosecution in the future.

Thought their immunity would club with IK’s immunity as well, hence removed.

Unless the amendment says IK specifically wont be given immunity. Shayad ye bhi ho jaye 28th amendment me.

Keep them amendments coming.

 

[Forsvaret]

Unless the amendment says IK specifically wont be given immunity…

Yeah, there "should" be a special clause reserved in the 27th amendment for Imran Khan, just like there is for Ahmedis in the 2nd amendment.

 

[Michael]

Also, their success lies in having one main language (although there are various dialects). Lastly, China prospered when it decentralised its economy in the 1970s and 1980s under Deng Chao's era. Similarly, India did in 92 under M. Singh. While we think Pak could do better in a highly centralised environment. If so, we should revive one unit.

During the Qin Dynasty in China, more than two thousand years ago, the first emperor standardized the written language. At that time, the pronunciation of these characters was also standardized, which we call "elegant speech" (雅言). Later, it became known as "official language" (官话).

This is not a product of modern China, but rather a tradition of Chinese culture spanning thousands of years.

In today’s world, no one enjoys being a servant to the ruling elite. We’ve moved beyond the Mughal and Suri empires and simply want food on our tables without sacrificing half our lives for ten rupees.

If these ruling elites provided people with something to take home at the end of the day, no one would oppose their decisions. However, the reality is that the average Pakistani is poor and lacks representation in politics, governance or even basic education.

It's regrettable. This is a standard law of all human civilization.

Whether ancient or modern, whether Eastern or Western civilizations, all human social structures to date have been based on elitism.

That's the reality. Whether you like it or accept it, you can't change it. The only difference is whether it's overt or covert, but its core has never changed.

 

[Meengla]

What part is your favourite?

The sidelining of the Supreme court? The immunity to Presidents and Generals? Or maybe the power grab over the rest of the armed forces by the COAS?

The Supreme Court of Pakistan has done incalculable damages since mid 2000s due to the 'judicial activism' starting with that cross eyed erstwhile hero Justice Iftikhar; the judges are not some angels: They are cut from the same cloth as the rest of the Pakistanis, including the Generals.
As to my 'favorite': There is none. What I am hoping is at least 10 years of stability to strengthen Pakistan's defenses to face the inevitable war against India, to make Pakistan's economy much better, to crush terrorism inside, to thwart the hordes from Afghanistan, to make infrastructure for climate resilience. Innumerable challenges lie ahead and the current conglomerate of leadership is the best we can have considering the anarchist imprisoned ones.
As for 'democracy': It doesn't really exist anywhere in South Asia. Hasina was authoritarian and some way very corrupt but her stability of nearly 15 years pulled Bangladesh ahead. Pakistan needs stability above all and the 27 Const. Amendment is a desperate attempt to achieve that.

 

[newb3e]

Military Inc.
Fauji foundation
Fauji fertiliser
Askari bank
NLC
FWO
DHA
PAF and Navy have similar but limited
Did l miss anything?

ola fries
countless shadi halls
shopling malls
askari condom maybe in some areas (near channa khor areas most likely)

 

[ghazi52]

‘Radical restructuring’: Retired judges, top lawyers urge CJP to summon full court meeting on 27th Amendment​

News Desk
November 10, 2025

As the government made moves toward the passage of the 27th Constitutional Amendment, former judges and top lawyers on Monday urged Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Yahya Afridi to summon a full court meeting to discuss the proposed legislation.

The request came in a letter, dated November 9 and a copy of which is available with Dawn, that was penned by senior counsel Faisal Siddiqi. It was also signed and endorsed by former SC senior puisne judge retired Justice Mushir Alam, former Sindh High Court (SHC) judge retired Justice Nadeem Akhtar and nine other top lawyers.

The letter said that the missive was being written “not in normal times but in times that presented the greatest threat to the Supreme Court of Pakistan since its establishment in 1956”.

It termed the 27th Amendment Act as the “biggest and the most radical restructuring of the Federal Appellate Court structure since the enactment of the Government of India Act, 1935”.

“We say this without any fear of contradiction that no civilian or military government in Pakistan’s history has even tried, let alone succeeded, in relegating the Supreme Court of Pakistan as a subordinate court and permanently denude it of its constitutional jurisdiction, as is being done through the proposed Constitution (Twenty-Seventh Amendment) Act, 2025,” the lawyers and judges said in the letter.

 

[ghazi52]

“If your Lordship is in agreement with us that this proposed amendment act is the biggest and most radical restructuring of the Supreme Court of Pakistan since its inception, then we would most respectfully request, and fully expect your Lordship, to call a full court meeting to discuss this proposed Amendment Act and to give an appropriate response to the federal government in the form of inputs and suggestions regarding this proposed amendment act,” they added.

“We would respectfully not like to explain to your Lordship that the Supreme Court has every right and power to give its input to the federal government on any proposed amendment act,” the legal experts said, adding that the legislation proposes “radical restructuring” of SC’s basic essence, structure and its constitutional obligation to administer justice for all.

The letter reiterated the call for an immediate full court meeting, noting that the Amendment was expected to be passed by November 11 (today) “or any day thereafter”.

The lawyers and judges went on to add that in case this request was declined on the “pretext of neutrality or noninterference with legislation (which we consider to be reasons without any substance), then we would at least expect you to accept and admit in a written response to us that you are now reconciled to be the last chief justice of Pakistan and now reconciled to accept the demise of the Supreme Court of Pakistan as the highest court in Pakistan”.

 

[hnn]

For those who are still confused about the FM, CDF, and COAS Ranks and the Lifelong Immunity granted to FM

1. We currently have 2 Four-star appointments. CJCSC and COAS. CJCSC is senior to COAS on papers because COAS, CAM, CNS are members of the Joint Staff Committee under the leadership of CJCSC. However, CJCSC doesn't have any administrative and operational command over individual service branches. The role of CJCSC is the Principal Staff Officer which means this rank is the bridge between Civilian Government and Armed Forces, and as such the role entails providing Strategic and Military advice to Civilian Government and then relating the information back to Service Chiefs. CJCSC's role also involves in coordinating integrated logistics, finances, and information flow (strategic + military), and joint training b/w the services branches of the armed forces.

2. COAS, CAS, and CNS are the administrative and operational commanders of their respective service branches. So all matters pertaining to administration, logistics, and combat are under their control.

3. FM, in Pakistan's context is a ceremonial 5 Star appointment. Any kind of Marshal has the same set of power and authority as COAS, CAS, and CN.

The 27 Ammendent (as it stand before approval)

1. Seeks to first combine the offices of CJCSC and COAS into one office of CDF, and then expanding CDF's administrative and operational command to other service branches as well. (We'll know the nuances related to this administrative and operational command once after the ammendment's approval and subsequent restructuring of the armed forces).

2. The more interesting implication of this ammendent is the Life-long Immunity granted to FM. The basics of this immunity is the same as that granted to President and Governors in the constitution already i.e. they are not answerable to any court, can't have any criminal or legal proceedings against them, can have personal proceedings against them but with a notice period of 2 months, and can not be arrested. However, this immunity for Presidents and Governors is only applicable while they are in office, once they are out of office they lose this immunity. The 27 Ammendent seeks to provide this immunity to FM but for life. This inherently implies that the rank of FM is for life, which simply means once a FM retires, they retire from administrative and operational command but continue to be treated as active officer and not SOD (Struck Off Duty) - they would continue to wear uniform and draw their salary (not pension), and other QoL benefits and now this life long constitutional immunity as well but won't have the administrative and operational power over armed forces.

The Loophole:

1. The loophole is the constitutional immunity. So for example, if a FM decides to invoke and implement Martial Law, they are not only protected against the breach of constitution but also low-key legally allowed

In all other cases, the FM will retire from administrative and operational command, and the government will find them another responsibility (related to coordination or security without any command) to justify their lifelong salary and privileges.

Hope that helps. I have kept it limited to information already available and not expanded into hypotheticals which will only become clear once the ammendent is approved (if approved).

 

[ghazi52]

Among the various changes proposed in the Amendment, many pertain to the judiciary, with the most notable being the formation of a Federal Constitutional Court (FCC).

The FCC will deal with constitutional matters and its decisions would be binding on all courts, including the Supreme Court itself, which has led to many experts believing that the tweaks would, in effect, dethrone the SC as the country’s highest judicial forum.

 

[Forsvaret]

Hasina was authoritarian and some way very corrupt but her stability of nearly 15 years pulled Bangladesh ahead.

Pulled ahead or backwards, considering what just occurred in Bangladesh recently—where authoritarian Haseena had to flee her own country and seek refuge in the "enemy" country of India?