Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[Ak01]

And beyond. The next frontier is CMMT and Baracuda type low cost (high deployment number) systems.

Sarkash/Rasoob potentially provide that base.

yes, or even target drone based stuff. Perhaps even turning stuff like kemankes into cheap decoys etc etc

 

[Fatman17]

you could argue, but that changed in second world war.....

If they decide to build Brahmos NG or hyper sonic version faster, I dont think, this is un-doable. They just never saw, such maximization of power projection from only one system!

Then retire the entire airforce and navy and ride the wind with your bramhos. Why spend billions on "agar Rafale hota ". Modi ji should have said "agar Brahmos hota "

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Totally agreed BuM was for local consumption and not a real military response. But the downing of 6 Indian fighter jets and the grounding of the Indian Air Force for two days (per their own admission) wasn’t a trivial matter. The Indians never used their Air Force after the initial battle and even by their own admission, fired their munitions on the 10th from extreme ranges.

Pakistan’s response was hampered by army dominated GHQ which turned a clear win on the 7th into an unnecessary mess.

Disagree on the last part, the initial win was turned into that mess by Indians and they did it intelligently by escalating with ground strikes which as we can see from discussing here, we are geographically vulnerable to and lack a proper ability to respond

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Then retire the entire airforce and navy and ride the wind with your bramhos. Why spend billions on "agar Rafale hota ". Modi ji should have said "agar Brahmos hota "

strategic depth... is making this problem far worse!

 

[Fatman17]

strategic depth... is making this problem far worse!

What strategic depth.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What strategic depth.

elongated boundaries, Naval bases taking hits and both active borders

 

[Ak01]

Then retire the entire airforce and navy and ride the wind with your bramhos. Why spend billions on "agar Rafale hota ". Modi ji should have said "agar Brahmos hota "

this is the problem- this mentality...

 

[Fatman17]

Gentleman all. Curb the inappropriate language and trolling or l will curb this thread.
YOU ARE WARNED

 

[Bratva]

Then retire the entire airforce and navy and ride the wind with your bramhos. Why spend billions on "agar Rafale hota ". Modi ji should have said "agar Brahmos hota "

Indians were fighting below the nuclear threshold. Put enough cuts that you feel the pain but not enough to tear the whole arm. Also the the Trump effect. Also Pakistan did the nuclear posturing. Red lines were about to be breached if India indiscriminately lobed the Brahmos volley. Indians wanted to strategically disable Pakistan, not conventionally.

Indians will not repeat the same mistake next time.

 

[Falcon26]

you could argue, but that changed in second world war.....

If they decide to build Brahmos NG or hyper sonic version faster, I dont think, this is un-doable. They just never saw, such maximization of power projection from only one system!

The Indians have been hyping the Brahmos as a wonder weapon for a very long time. But a saturation attack of a major magnitude blurs the line on nuclear signaling and could be interpreted as a nuclear attack. The Indians want to poke without being blinded and so are in search for a sweet spot. This is the story since 2016.

 

[Fatman17]

this is the problem- this mentality...

Sounds like yours

 

[Ak01]

Gentleman all. Curb the inappropriate language and trolling or l will curb this thread.
YOU ARE WARNED

where is there inappropriate lang/trolling?

 

[Rational Philosopher]

if Pak. can work out now lower p.u cost solution relative to the p.u production cost of Brahmos...

I need'nt say more...

Whatever we get will be expensive, and if we can meaningfully drive its cost down, then so can India.

Our options are a YJ-12 derivative for a supersonic LACM. YJ-18 added onto ships. China uses the DF-100 for itself I don't think we'd get access to it.

 

[Developereo]

The issue is, because of the rate at which it closes in at, you will need an exceptionally agile missile, like CAMM/IRIS-T.

Our ADS will not be battling brahmos only. It will be loitering munitions, Drones, probing aerial devices, Harops,

Perhaps I didn't explain my point clearly.

My point was that no AD is 100% guaranteed and some BrahMos will always get through so we should build our bases in such a way that mountains or artificial fortifications provide some shielding in those directions. It is a low tech last resort tactic but why not?

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

Then retire the entire airforce and navy and ride the wind with your bramhos. Why spend billions on "agar Rafale hota ". Modi ji should have said "agar Brahmos hota "

BrahMos missile is also launched from Su-30MKI fighter jets or Tejas (in next 1-2 years). Surface-to-surface missiles, while powerful, are generally less accurate and more vulnerable to interception. For surgical precision strikes with minimal collateral damage, Air Force remains the preferred option. drones may eventually replace manned fighter jets in some roles, the strategic importance of airpower will always remain.