Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[vasanthm]

No the Nagas and Assamese used the weapons they had. Assault rifles, machine guns and mortars. If they had tanks or APCs they would have used them.

every Indian state would use whatever weapons they had in a conflict. The key is, India defangs the situation, then lets people vent with batons, sticks, or slogans until they cool down. That’s how you manage dissent without dismantling democracy. Maybe try that trick in Balochistan, India’s managed insurgencies far better by allowing systematic pressure release, not by crushing everything under a boot.

 

[Baibers_1260]

You’ve got it backwards, we don’t stick with one government. We vote them in, and when needed, we vote them out. You just rotate the top guy when he retires and by 'you,' I mean your army. We’ll take noisy democracy over quiet dictatorship any day.. ok time to move on I guess

It doesn't matter to us Pakistanis which government comes to power. That government is still committed to the invasion, occupation, snd depopulation of Pakistan.and Bangladesh. Time to move on.
Mods (@Waz @krash ) : Can we have a separate thread "Indians vs Pakistanis Mudslinging Competition ". We can keep the other threads free,

 

[Yasser76]

every Indian state would use whatever weapons they had in a conflict. The key is, India defangs the situation, then lets people vent with batons, sticks, or slogans until they cool down. That’s how you manage dissent without dismantling democracy. Maybe try that trick in Balochistan, India’s managed insurgencies far better by allowing systematic pressure release, not by crushing everything under a boot.

Ah yes, your "systematic pressure release".....

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

The War on Kashmiri Women’s Bodies: Five Years After Article 370 Indian Constitution: A tribute to the Kashmiri victims of gendered violence and occupation, By Zainab Zafar

On August 5, 2019, the Indian government unilaterally revoked Article 370 of its Constitution[1], stripping Jammu and Kashmir of its special status and autonomy. Harsh curfew, widespread communication blackouts, the mass detention of political leaders, and

sites.exeter.ac.uk

Behind the Kashmir Conflict: Abuses by Indian Security Forces and Militant Groups Continue | Refworld

www.refworld.org

Protests follow ‘rape’ of Kashmiri child

Several thousand Muslims have held a demonstration in protest of the alleged rape of a Muslim woman and her 12-year-old daughter by Indian soldiers in Kashmir.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[onlinpunit]

You tell me she is alive without photographic evidence and expect me to believe it? Weren't you demanding photographic evidence of Pakistani rocket damage to Indian airbases?

Come on. Pics or I don't believe it.

Logic does not work that way. You claim something you have to show proof.
You claim : bases destroyed..Show proof.
You claim pilot captured : show proof.

 

[vasanthm]

Ah yes, your "systematic pressure release".....

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

The War on Kashmiri Women’s Bodies: Five Years After Article 370 Indian Constitution: A tribute to the Kashmiri victims of gendered violence and occupation, By Zainab Zafar

On August 5, 2019, the Indian government unilaterally revoked Article 370 of its Constitution[1], stripping Jammu and Kashmir of its special status and autonomy. Harsh curfew, widespread communication blackouts, the mass detention of political leaders, and

sites.exeter.ac.uk

Behind the Kashmir Conflict: Abuses by Indian Security Forces and Militant Groups Continue | Refworld

www.refworld.org

Protests follow ‘rape’ of Kashmiri child

Several thousand Muslims have held a demonstration in protest of the alleged rape of a Muslim woman and her 12-year-old daughter by Indian soldiers in Kashmir.

www.aljazeera.com

No one’s denying there have been excesses, unlike your side, we actually document and debate them. That’s what being a democracy means. The difference is, we don’t disappear people for tweeting or turn entire provinces into black holes. Kashmir is part of our national conversation, Balochistan isn’t even allowed to be part of yours.

 

[Yasser76]

No one’s denying there have been excesses, unlike your side, we actually document and debate them. That’s what being a democracy means. The difference is, we don’t disappear people for tweeting or turn entire provinces into black holes. Kashmir is part of our national conversation, Balochistan isn’t even allowed to be part of yours.

"Excesses"? It has been described by HRW and the UN as "systematic abuse" and "state sponsored"

Do you now what that means?

If not get a dictionary

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Does it even matter to you how we run our affairs or what we call ourselves? Beyond the usual tiffs we have, why the sudden concern? We might call it secular, democratic, or something else entirely.

BS...

amounts of shamelessness and stupidity is staggering!

have you noted dualities and contrasts in my statement:

india ('an agent') a state created by the British:

1. no undivided hindu states
2. call it secular
3. and then make it 'democratic'


no other 'nation state' was created in this way!


you serve your British masters!

 

[vasanthm]

"Excesses"? It has been described by HRW and the UN as "systematic abuse" and "state sponsored"

Do you now what that means?

If not get a dictionary

Yes, terms like 'systematic abuse' are serious and that’s why they’re investigated and debated in India. What’s Pakistan’s excuse when the same terms are used for Balochistan, missing persons in Sindh, or enforced conversions of minorities? No HRW report even causes a ripple because the state of civil society doesn't care.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Maybe try that trick in Balochistan, India’s managed insurgencies far better by allowing systematic pressure release

Better try the trick in Manipur with your entire police and paramilitary armory looted and the entire state armed police dissolving into Christian Kuki and Hindu Meitei militias committing horrific atrocities on opposite populations.
The funny thing is is that apart from Imphal the "government " has lost control of the surrounding highlands and valleys.
Want me to post a reference?
So far our state armory has not been looted and women not abused in Baluchistan.
RPG fire on Kuki churches

 

[vasanthm]

BS...

amounts of shamelessness and stupidity is staggering!

have you noted dualities and contrasts in my statement:

india ('an agent') a state created by the British:

1. no undivided hindu states
2. call it secular
3. and then make it 'democratic'


no other 'nation state' was created in this way!


you serve your British masters!

classic 'British made India' routine, ironic coming from someone in a country literally carved out by the British in 1947 as a communal project. India didn’t ask to be partitioned, we inherited the mess and built a democracy out of it. You chose theocratic nationalism and military babysitting. Call our system what you like, at least we aren’t still stuck blaming colonialism while saluting our generals.

 

[Cipher212]

If you don't see it, does not mean it does not exist.
If you did not see it happen, does not mean it did not happen.
Somethings are not shared for maintaining secrecy around your capability. Since this capability is extended by an Ally, you can use it to your advantage but can not disclose it to the enemy/world.
The proof is in the below video (hint: live updates)

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We already have acknowledgements from India that their bases were hit, we have videos from bystanders showing the smoke plumes.

What we don't have is a simple satellite pic showing proof that we hit something important there, like a runway, hangar, ammo dump, command room, parked aircraft, SAM, truck, car etc.

For example, we have a video of something on fire at Beas during the night (i think May 10th early hours) . of a Brahmos storage facility. We would have had a satellite image the next day confirming our hit.

Similarly, Indians try to claim they destroyed a C-130 at Nur Khan and how we know this is incorrect? Because there is no burnt out plane or even scorch marks on the tarmac anywhere the next day.

 

[vasanthm]

Better try the trick in Manipur with your entire police and paramilitary armory looted and the entire state armed police dissolving into Christian Kuki and Hindu Meitei militias committing horrific atrocities on opposite populations.
The funny thing is is that apart from Imphal the "government " has lost control of the surrounding highlands and valleys.
Want me to post a reference?
So far our state armory has not been looted and women not abused in Baluchistan.
RPG fire on Kuki churches

Manipur is a tragic and complex failure, no one’s denying that. But the fact it’s debated openly, investigated, and questioned in courts and Parliament shows the system’s still alive, not absent. When there’s failure in India, it’s headline news. In Balochistan, the goal seems to be to make sure no one hears about it at all. And let’s not pretend women and minorities are somehow safe there, they’re just silenced, not spared.

 

[Yasser76]

Yes, terms like 'systematic abuse' are serious and that’s why they’re investigated and debated in India. What’s Pakistan’s excuse when the same terms are used for Balochistan, missing persons in Sindh, or enforced conversions of minorities? No HRW report even causes a ripple because the state of civil society doesn't care.

You simply do not understand do you, it is state sponsored abuse and rape and has been called out globally. There is a sickness in your mind that for you, the rape of a 12 year old girl by a soldier is just "execissve" as for the "investigations" into "systematic rape", do you know how many soldiers were jailed? Shall i tell you? Zero.

So

1) Mass rapes
2) Investigation
3) No prosecution

"But we are a democracy"

I always thought of myself as a reasonable person, but when it comes to your mob now, it seems like you are sick dogs. You have no logic, just salivating at the mouth for yiur next victims, your logic is twisted and you have managed to convince yourselves are you are normal soceity, just like the Israelis pretend they are.

Mistake of Pakistan is to treat you like logical humans. We need to treat you like wild crazy stray dogs.

 

[vasanthm]

I swear this feels like a video game, lone Indian dodging punches from all sides while the map flashes red. Reinforcements? Probably stuck in traffic… or arguing over biryani vs pulao. Typical.

 

[Yasser76]

I swear this feels like a video game, lone Indian dodging punches from all sides while the map flashes red. Reinforcements? Probably stuck in traffic… or arguing over biryani vs pulao. Typical.

You have a sick mind..

For us Kashmir is a tragedy, for you, child rapes are ok as they are "investigated" and no one is punished....