Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

Thanks for the sympathy, we’ll survive. Yes, delimitation will shift political weight northward, but that’s how democracy works, representation by population. And don’t worry about the South, we’re used to carrying the weight, with or without gratitude. At least we’ll still have the right to vote, not salute.

Was having the exact discussion with a Tamilian and Hyderabadi on this.
His view was part of this South “protest” to the North’s ingratiation over the years based on caste is alternatives to BJP fever sweeps.
Off topic - but he also pointed out that Southies are more religious than northerners but it’s logical belief and rarely mob based.
Probably also why communal issues are barely there in the south.

 

[Yasser76]

So just to be clear, you’re saying your military doesn’t kidnap its own citizens, torture them, and circulate all kinds of videos of it? Because there’s plenty of footage, testimony, and reports from HRW, Amnesty, and even your own journalists that say otherwise.

Yes, India has had serious issues, and I’ve never denied them. But we have mechanisms, flawed, yes, to question the state. Your system buries the evidence and silences the victims. And when someone starts calling people 'sick dogs' just for disagreeing, it's clear this was never about justice. It was about justifying your own hatred

No, you are denying them. I have posted the evidence no one gets convicted when the army mass rapes, you simply gloss over it.

All major concerned global orgs have stated this

Again I posted the evidence

If you come on here, state the mass rape of women and children is just an "excess" then claim it is ok as it is "investigated" and I have proven the investigations are a shame (as per global sources),, then yes, expect to be hated.

You show a distinct lack of empathy and casualness about it, the hallmarks of a psychopath, and much of your military in Kashmir behave like psychopaths.

However I was wrong to call you a "sick dog" and I take that back. You are much worse. A sick dog does not realise it is sick, you take some pride in it

 

[Waz]

“The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away. At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds. Not enough to react. Not enough to survive.”

The IAF presence over J&K was sparse in 2 of the 3 days. Why?

“Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”

The Indians are now coming slowly to reality. Bharat Karnad is one of their foremost national security experts and someone who has been high on the “India is superpower sir” koolaid. But even he’s now disillusioned about the IAF.

In later parts of his article, he says the “The fleet of 36 is now depleted”

But the golden piece is tugged nicely here:

“More will be be revealed about the Rafale in the Sindoor ops in the days to come. Time for the IAF, for its own good, to begin distancing itself from this aircraft.”

Indians know their military and government lied to desperately hide the trashing their Air Force received and despite their best efforts, the truth can’t be obscured.

PAF has said from day one that even on the last day, when IAF finally took off, they were flying 100s of kms away from the border to save themselves. Even their top military chief admitted that but the Hindu nationalists were grasping at straws to contradict. Now their top national security officials is plainly saying the same

“The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”

PAF has enforced unquestionable air dominance over Indian airspace and rendered the IAF irrelevant.

Historic stuff!

@Waz

Damn some heavy truths there and more coming.

 

[Pradotlc]

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[vasanthm]

No, you are denying them. I have posted the evidence no one gets convicted when the army mass rapes, you simply gloss over it.

All major concerned global orgs have stated this

Again I posted the evidence

If you come on here, state the mass rape of women and children is just an "excess" then claim it is ok as it is "investigated" and I have proven the investigations are a shame (as per global sources),, then yes, expect to be hated.

You show a distinct lack of empathy and casualness about it, the hallmarks of a psychopath, and much of your military in Kashmir behave like psychopaths.

However I was wrong to call you a "sick dog" and I take that back. You are much worse. A sick dog does not realise it is sick, you take some pride in it

Ok dude, if I may call you that, what exactly do you expect me to do? Go hunt down individuals and court-martial them myself?

Whenever any army is placed in prolonged civilian situations, especially in conflict zones, there will be excesses. That’s not to justify them, just stating a harsh reality. But allowing civilian courts to prosecute army personnel in such zones is a non-starter; it would cripple operational effectiveness. It’s a moral dilemma with no easy answer. The ideal solution is to remove the army entirely, but that's not possible given the threat environment.

That said, in India, the army is not deployed everywhere. It’s a last resort, unlike in Pakistan where military interference in civilian life is routine. So, if you ask me, I’d still prefer our imperfect system over Pakistan’s full blown militarisation of everything from media to elections.

 

[vasanthm]

Was having the exact discussion with a Tamilian and Hyderabadi on this.
His view was part of this South “protest” to the North’s ingratiation over the years based on caste is alternatives to BJP fever sweeps.
Off topic - but he also pointed out that Southies are more religious than northerners but it’s logical belief and rarely mob based.
Probably also why communal issues are barely there in the south.

Yeah, that’s actually a pretty solid take. Down South, people are definitely religious, but it’s not the chest thumping, mob driven kind you often see up North. It’s more personal, a bit more grounded, like, I’ll do my rituals, you do yours, let’s get on with life.

The political pushback is also less about just hating the BJP and more about a deeper resistance to decades of being told what “Indian culture” is, usually defined in North Indian, upper caste, Hindi speaking terms. The South’s just saying, “We’re good, thanks. We’ve got our own way of doing things.”

Also it's the economic angle. The South’s done a lot better in terms of development, and honestly, when people are busy chasing careers, building homes, and sending their kids to better schools, they don’t have time to join angry mobs. Growth doesn’t fix everything, but it calms a lot of the usual nonsense.

And on the communal harmony bit, most of the spread of Islam and Christianity in the South wasn’t through invasions but trade, especially along the Kerala and Karnataka coasts. So instead of being seen as outsiders, they became part of the local culture. You’ll find churches with temple like architecture, Muslims with local names and customs, it’s all blended in nicely. There’s no real “us vs them” vibe like in some parts of the North. Up North, the history was messier, lots of invasions, power struggles, and forced conversions. So the mistrust runs deeper. Different history, different baggage.

 

[Oscar]

Damn some heavy truths there and more coming.

Imagine the Khaleeji sentiments

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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PAF taking out S400 > Rafale.

 

[Master Chief]

Yes, coalitions failed, welcome to democracy. Parties rise, fall, align, and split and that's how representative politics works. As for your 100 year dig, thanks for the history lesson. But we’d still take a noisy, flawed democracy juggling caste, language, and ideology over a manufactured unity enforced by boots and bans. At least our debates happen in parliament and not in barracks.

RSS guides the national discourse during their own closed meetings, regularly, throughout the country.

‘Nobody knows what I know’: how a loyal RSS member abandoned Hindu nationalism

The long read: As a young man, Partha Banerjee was on course to become a senior member of the RSS, the organisation that has pushed Indian politics towards extreme religious nationalism. Then, after 40 years within its ranks, he quit. Why?

www.theguardian.com

India does not enjoy a democracy of any kind, never mind a flawed one. India exists as an ELECTORAL AUTOCRACY.

India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’: V-Dem report on democracy

India's democratic decline highlighted in V-Dem report, with autocratisation worsening and freedom of expression under threat.

www.thehindu.com

You keep mentioning "improvement" as though this is some crutch to fall on in the face of such wholesale evisceration of your national fabric, like some jet fighter pilot who keeps crashing in the simulator but assures us that he will improve, so don't worry boss.

In any event, are you actually improving though?

Electoral autocracy worsens in India

By M L Satyan Coimbatore, April 3, 2024: It pains me to read the Democracy Report 2024. According to this report India, downgraded to an “electoral autocracy” in 2018, has further declined to becom…

mattersindia.com

"Democracy Report 2024. According to this report India, downgraded to an “electoral autocracy” in 2018, has further declined to become “one of the worst autocracies.”

The V-Dem Institute’s Democracy Report 2024 paints a grim picture of India’s democratic decline, categorizing the country as an electoral autocracy for the sixth consecutive year.

The report highlights the gradual but substantial deterioration of freedom of expression, compromised media independence, crackdowns on social media, and harassment of journalists critical of the government. The report also points to attacks on civil society and the intimidation of the opposition parties as contributing factors to India’s declining democracy scores.

Federal Government’s Role in Suppressing Dissent: The report specifically mentions the role of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in using laws on sedition, defamation, and counter-terrorism to silence critics. The government is also accused of undermining the constitution’s commitment to secularism by amending the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) in 2019.

Suppression of Religious Freedom and Academic Dissent: The government is reported to continue suppressing the freedom of religious rights. The report also highlights the silencing of dissent in academia as a concerning trend in India’s autocratization process."

But here you are, oblivious. The reasons you are oblivious are very much the same reasons that your nation has been downgraded in the first place.

 

[suriya]

"I see no sign of any hit at Adampur Air Force Station high resolution satellite image"- IMINT analys Tom Bike @tom_bike

 

[Master Chief]

Logic does not work that way. You claim something you have to show proof.
You claim : bases destroyed..Show proof.
You claim pilot captured : show proof.

We deny capture. You claim she lives. Prove it.

 

[suriya]

They should have flattened the temple built on top of babri to teach them a lesson.

you can try it next time and find out.

 

[Baibers_1260]

you can try it next time and find out.

Absolutely! In the Next "New Normal" Round: Operation Karwa Chauth . Thanks for opportunity in advance

 

[TAC]

Then all good. Isnt it ?

If you count her likely death as good then I guess so

 

[NA71]

you can try it next time and find out.

We will ...its written destiny