Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[vasanthm]

You simply do not understand do you, it is state sponsored abuse and rape and has been called out globally. There is a sickness in your mind that for you, the rape of a 12 year old girl by a soldier is just "execissve" as for the "investigations" into "systematic rape", do you know how many soldiers were jailed? Shall i tell you? Zero.

So

1) Mass rapes
2) Investigation
3) No prosecution

"But we are a democracy"

I always thought of myself as a reasonable person, but when it comes to your mob now, it seems like you are sick dogs. You have no logic, just salivating at the mouth for yiur next victims, your logic is twisted and you have managed to convince yourselves are you are normal soceity, just like the Israelis pretend they are.

Mistake of Pakistan is to treat you like logical humans. We need to treat you like wild crazy stray dogs.

This isn’t outrage, it’s unhinged dehumanisation. No one here defended rape, and no decent society should ever tolerate it. Yes, there have been failures in justice, and they are rightly criticised within India, by Indians, in courts, media, and Parliament. That’s the difference between a democracy struggling with accountability and a system built to suppress it.

But when your response to injustice is to label an entire population as 'sick dogs' and suggest they should be treated like animals, you’re no longer speaking for justice, you’re just indulging hate. And that says far more about you than anything you claim about us.

 

[Yasser76]

This isn’t outrage, it’s unhinged dehumanisation. No one here defended rape, and no decent society should ever tolerate it. Yes, there have been failures in justice, and they are rightly criticised within India, by Indians, in courts, media, and Parliament. That’s the difference between a democracy struggling with accountability and a system built to suppress it.

But when your response to injustice is to label an entire population as 'sick dogs' and suggest they should be treated like animals, you’re no longer speaking for justice, you’re just indulging hate. And that says far more about you than anything you claim about us.

Yes, correct, absolutely. You behave and act like a sick dog, defend the actions of mass rape, which you have on this thread, then expect to be treated like one.

 

[Baibers_1260]

You’ve got it backwards, we don’t stick with one government. We vote them in, and when needed, we vote them out

When the de-limitation happens in a few years with the new Parliament constituted just 4 cow belt states will rule India forever. All the income of course will come from the Southern states. You won't be "voting them out" ever.
Since you are from Southern India you have my sympathy.

 

[vasanthm]

Yes, correct, absolutely. You behave and act like a sick dog, defend the actions of mass rape, which you have on this thread, then expect to be treated like one.

You keep accusing without listening. I haven’t defended any atrocity, I’ve said our system has mechanisms to deal with these crimes. Are they always effective? No. But they exist, and they’re debated, challenged, and pushed by citizens, media, and courts. That’s what separates us from systems in places like Pakistan where the abuse is the mechanism where there’s no space for dissent, no accountability, and the goal is to bury the story entirely. That’s the difference.

 

[Yasser76]

This isn’t outrage, it’s unhinged dehumanisation. No one here defended rape, and no decent society should ever tolerate it. Yes, there have been failures in justice, and they are rightly criticised within India, by Indians, in courts, media, and Parliament. That’s the difference between a democracy struggling with accountability and a system built to suppress it.

But when your response to injustice is to label an entire population as 'sick dogs' and suggest they should be treated like animals, you’re no longer speaking for justice, you’re just indulging hate. And that says far more about you than anything you claim about us.

Section 5 of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) states that “No prosecution, suit or other legal proceeding shall be instituted, except with the previous sanction of the Central Government, against any person in respect of anything done or purported to be done in exercise of the powers conferred by this Act”.[3]Under this section, Army officials are offered a form of immunity where military personnel cannot be prosecuted unless there is a prior sanction for investigation by the central government.[4] Unfortunately, the Indian government rarely investigate cases of rape by security forces in Kashmir. It is reported by “Kashmir Media Service” that security forces raped 11,224 women between 1989 and 2020, including those as young as 11 years and as old as 60-year women.[5] When cases are investigated and accused officers are found guilty, punishments are negligible in that the maximum punishment handed out is suspension, while the details of the case are never made public.[6] Furthermore, The Public Safety Act (PSA) of 1978 enables authorities to detain Kashmiris for two years without trial.[7] It gives security forces total discretion in detentions, which could occur simply for trying to resist sexual violence or attempting to report such incidents.[8] A person who is detained under the PSA does not have the right to move a bail application before a criminal court, and cannot access any lawyer to represent him or her before the detaining authority.[9] In this manner, PSA ensures that victims of sexual violence do not have access to justice. Thus, a system of impunity arises where security forces escape accountability as a result of the Indian government’s failure to effectively prosecute and punish their criminal acts.

https://rsilpak.org/2022/sexual-violence-in-indian-occupied-kashmir/

"But we investigate...."

 

[Yasser76]

You keep accusing without listening. I haven’t defended any atrocity, I’ve said our system has mechanisms to deal with these crimes. Are they always effective? No. But they exist, and they’re debated, challenged, and pushed by citizens, media, and courts. That’s what separates us from systems in places like Pakistan where the abuse is the mechanism where there’s no space for dissent, no accountability, and the goal is to bury the story entirely. That’s the difference.

In correct, your "system" has zero accountability.

 

[vasanthm]

When the de-limitation happens in a few years with the new Parliament constituted just 4 cow belt states will rule India forever. All the income of course will come from the Southern states. You won't be "voting them out" ever.
Since you are from Southern India you have my sympathy.

Thanks for the sympathy, we’ll survive. Yes, delimitation will shift political weight northward, but that’s how democracy works, representation by population. And don’t worry about the South, we’re used to carrying the weight, with or without gratitude. At least we’ll still have the right to vote, not salute.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[vasanthm]

Section 5 of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) states that “No prosecution, suit or other legal proceeding shall be instituted, except with the previous sanction of the Central Government, against any person in respect of anything done or purported to be done in exercise of the powers conferred by this Act”.[3]Under this section, Army officials are offered a form of immunity where military personnel cannot be prosecuted unless there is a prior sanction for investigation by the central government.[4] Unfortunately, the Indian government rarely investigate cases of rape by security forces in Kashmir. It is reported by “Kashmir Media Service” that security forces raped 11,224 women between 1989 and 2020, including those as young as 11 years and as old as 60-year women.[5] When cases are investigated and accused officers are found guilty, punishments are negligible in that the maximum punishment handed out is suspension, while the details of the case are never made public.[6] Furthermore, The Public Safety Act (PSA) of 1978 enables authorities to detain Kashmiris for two years without trial.[7] It gives security forces total discretion in detentions, which could occur simply for trying to resist sexual violence or attempting to report such incidents.[8] A person who is detained under the PSA does not have the right to move a bail application before a criminal court, and cannot access any lawyer to represent him or her before the detaining authority.[9] In this manner, PSA ensures that victims of sexual violence do not have access to justice. Thus, a system of impunity arises where security forces escape accountability as a result of the Indian government’s failure to effectively prosecute and punish their criminal acts.

https://rsilpak.org/2022/sexual-violence-in-indian-occupied-kashmir/

"But we investigate...."

No one’s claiming the system is perfect, laws like AFSPA and PSA have rightly faced criticism within India, from courts, media, activists, and even parts of the political class. That’s what a functioning democracy looks like, flawed, messy, but still self-correcting.

But quoting 'Kashmir Media Service' and Pakistani legal sites while ignoring your own state's complete blackout on Balochistan, enforced disappearances, extrajudicial killings, and zero judicial oversight is peak hypocrisy. India debates its failures, Pakistan buries them. That’s the difference between a struggling democracy and a system built to never admit fault.

 

[Yasser76]

No one’s claiming the system is perfect, laws like AFSPA and PSA have rightly faced criticism within India, from courts, media, activists, and even parts of the political class. That’s what a functioning democracy looks like, flawed, messy, but still self-correcting.

But quoting 'Kashmir Media Service' and Pakistani legal sites while ignoring your own state's complete blackout on Balochistan, enforced disappearances, extrajudicial killings, and zero judicial oversight is peak hypocrisy. India debates its failures, Pakistan buries them. That’s the difference between a struggling democracy and a system built to never admit fault.

Clearly, sexual crimes committed by army officers operating under AFSPA warrant prosecution. According to the UN Human Rights Committee, section 4 of AFSPA is incompatible with Articles 6, 9, and 14 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. AFSPA also violates Articles 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Holding India accountable for its draconian colonial era law is difficult as India is not party to the Rome Statute on qualms that the ICC impinges on its sovereignty.

Indian Women v. Indian Armed Forces

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German

 

[Yasser76]

No one’s claiming the system is perfect, laws like AFSPA and PSA have rightly faced criticism within India, from courts, media, activists, and even parts of the political class. That’s what a functioning democracy looks like, flawed, messy, but still self-correcting.

But quoting 'Kashmir Media Service' and Pakistani legal sites while ignoring your own state's complete blackout on Balochistan, enforced disappearances, extrajudicial killings, and zero judicial oversight is peak hypocrisy. India debates its failures, Pakistan buries them. That’s the difference between a struggling democracy and a system built to never admit fault.

India uses rape as weapon of war in Kashmir

The eighty-ninth session of the United Nations ‘Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women’ (CEDAW) was opened by its chairwoman Ana Peláez Narváez of Spain on 7 October in Geneva and will continue until October 25, 2024. CEDAW is the most important human rights mechanism to...

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Irish source here

 

[vasanthm]

Clearly, sexual crimes committed by army officers operating under AFSPA warrant prosecution. According to the UN Human Rights Committee, section 4 of AFSPA is incompatible with Articles 6, 9, and 14 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. AFSPA also violates Articles 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Holding India accountable for its draconian colonial era law is difficult as India is not party to the Rome Statute on qualms that the ICC impinges on its sovereignty.

Indian Women v. Indian Armed Forces

voelkerrechtsblog.org

German

Yes, AFSPA is controversial and has been rightly criticised both internationally and within India. Courts, activists, journalists, and even retired army officers have called for reform or repeal, that’s how accountability begins. It's not perfect, but at least the conversation exists.

But let’s not pretend Pakistan has any moral ground here. Your state isn’t just using colonial era laws, it operates with military courts, enforced disappearances, and zero transparency. And the idea of holding your own armed forces accountable? Doesn’t even register. India may resist international overreach to protect sovereignty, but it still allows internal checks courts, media, civil society. Pakistan doesn’t even pretend to.

 

[Yasser76]

Yes, AFSPA is controversial and has been rightly criticised both internationally and within India. Courts, activists, journalists, and even retired army officers have called for reform or repeal, that’s how accountability begins. It's not perfect, but at least the conversation exists.

But let’s not pretend Pakistan has any moral ground here. Your state isn’t just using colonial era laws, it operates with military courts, enforced disappearances, and zero transparency. And the idea of holding your own armed forces accountable? Doesn’t even register. India may resist international overreach to protect sovereignty, but it still allows internal checks courts, media, civil society. Pakistan doesn’t even pretend to.

Ah, so the problems in Baluchistan have been criticised in Pakistani media too, and we have had investigations.

Let us make one thing very clear, HRW and the UN have never accused Pakistan of systematic abuses, but have accused India of this, I have provided evidence by global organisations showing India conducts mass rapes and the Army faces no consequences. You seem intent on defending rapists on here. Can you see why rather then letting you near a woman I think you have the mind of a sick dog and you should be treated as such

 

[vasanthm]

Ah, so the problems in Baluchistan have been criticised in Pakistani media too, and we have had investigations.

Let us make one thing very clear, HRW and the UN have never accused Pakistan of systematic abuses, but have accused India of this, I have provided evidence by global organisations showing India conducts mass rapes and the Army faces no consequences. You seem intent on defending rapists on here. Can you see why rather then letting you near a woman I think you have the mind of a sick dog and you should be treated as such

So just to be clear, you’re saying your military doesn’t kidnap its own citizens, torture them, and circulate all kinds of videos of it? Because there’s plenty of footage, testimony, and reports from HRW, Amnesty, and even your own journalists that say otherwise.

Yes, India has had serious issues, and I’ve never denied them. But we have mechanisms, flawed, yes, to question the state. Your system buries the evidence and silences the victims. And when someone starts calling people 'sick dogs' just for disagreeing, it's clear this was never about justice. It was about justifying your own hatred

 

[vasanthm]

Need to discuss this with you over a bottle of Kingfisher, Deep Hot Chips and bondas, since you won't take kababs,

Haha, done deal! Kingfisher, hot chips, and bonda it is, the ultimate South Indian summit menu. That said, I’ve enjoyed some brilliant Hyderabadi and Old Delhi kebabs, and had unforgettable ones at a Lahori joint in London too. I might not find those gems here, but I’ve definitely paid my respects to the kebab gods!