Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Inka jeena marna Pakistan hai, their news is Pakistan, their political shows are about Pakistan, movies are about Pakistan, their diplomacy and lobbying is all about Pakistan, they are so obsessed with us.
The Indian Army has started behaving in an unusual manner. In the coming years, one could even predict the possibility of increased military influence in politics, including the risk of emergency rule or de facto martial law in India.
I know it sounds funny but my instinct is saying something different
 
Not funny, it is hilarious.
I am against soldiers engaging in media interactions and public meetings. It gives them a sense of their own political and social power, which is unhealthy for a professional army.
Recently, senior Indian generals have been appearing frequently in the media and seeking publicity. This trend is worrying. A disciplined and professional army should remain apolitical, restrained, and focused solely on defense, not public image-building.
History shows that when military leadership becomes comfortable with publicity and public influence, it often undermines civilian institutions. That is never good for a professional and democratic army.
 
Just three out of 1.45 billion.

Refer to my post above.



A desire for peace and co-existence by Pakistan and Bangladesh is viewed by the Hindutva-Hindus of India, as weakness, and a capitulation. The catch words in the mainstream electronic media and official political narrative are " begged " ( for a ceasefire), "beggars", Kangladesh, India etc. In the bygone era, and even during the war of 1971 the media and politicians in India never used such terminology. That "war" ( actually an intervention in the Pakistani civil war) was not so much portrayed as a civilizational religious conflict since India's ally was obviously the Muslim Bengali population of the then East Pakistan.
The only reference to a civilizational conflict was made by the Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi who claimed a "1000 year revenge" ( ہزار سال کا بدلا لیا ) For this statement Indira Gandhi was promptly dubbed the incarnation of the "goddess Durga" by opposition Jan Sangh party ( fore runners of the current BJP-RSS ). The adulation quickly faded when just seven months after "1000 year revenge " Indira Gandhi held the Simla Summit and signed the 1948 Kashmir ceasefire line into the "Line of Control " effectively ceding " Pakistan Occupied Kashmir ". Indira Gandhi's act was dubbed an appeasement ( Tushtikaran in Hindi تشٹیکرن ) . The RSS-Jan Sangh opposition ignored the fact that the seven times superior Indian Army failed to recapture "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir " despite a historic "1000 year victory ". Indira Gandhi had to save face by agreeing to a ceasefire ( unilaterally) and later signing a deal and appearing to be a peacemaker.

Fast forward to 2025:
The Hindutva-Hindu population, want to live their dreams of the revival of the "Indic-Vedic " civilization. The obstacle to revival of the Indic glory are the Muslims of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
It's not a question of disputed territory, terrorism, or civil war intervention to return refugees ( 1971) . Pakistan is not dealing with an Indira Gandhi or Lal Bahadur Shastri, but a fascist vicious regime hell bent on driving the sub-continent into the greatest carnage known in human history. A carnage that will be many times the loss of human lives of all the wars in recorded human history put together. There will never be a world war even with the NATO- Russia and China Taiwan tensions. A far more horrific Pakistan India war is highly likely even inevitable. Pakistan is no longer dealing with the type of enemy it has been fighting since 1947 which had a degree of rationality linked to the reality of self-preservation. The modern day Hindutva warmongers are in a different class. Even North Korea and Israel are rational when compared to Hindutva fascists.



agree RSS are pure scum
 
I am against soldiers engaging in media interactions and public meetings. It gives them a sense of their own political and social power, which is unhealthy for a professional army.
Recently, senior Indian generals have been appearing frequently in the media and seeking publicity. This trend is worrying. A disciplined and professional army should remain apolitical, restrained, and focused solely on defense, not public image-building.
History shows that when military leadership becomes comfortable with publicity and public influence, it often undermines civilian institutions. That is never good for a professional and democratic army.
Your assessment is bang on.

But, every interaction by military officers with media is cleared by the Ministry of Defence in India. Military officers can’t choose to give an interview or meet the media as per their wishes. The exact nature of interaction is also pre-approved.

Infact the direct media interaction by the Chiefs is restricted to Army/AirForce/Navy day.

They do visit institutions and make speeches and that has been happening for a long time. It has caught the attention of media brigade due to content of those speeches.
Earlier, no one used to notice them as they were run of the mill talks. May 25 has added a lot of masala.

Military in India is nowhere near the power centre. Army Chief seeking an appointment with the PM, may not get one for months. Heck, even with Defence Minister may be given after weeks.

Military taking over power in India is outright impossible.
 
Got spanked by J10s but still mentally scarred by F-sola for some reason 😁
I think there is a reason behind this F-sola obsession i.e US is considered best in defence so if any US built aircraft is shot that will boost their inferioriy complex. second now when Trump has humiliated their 56 inch new Hanuman like god i.e. Modi g so if they show they have hit us built craft then can somehow satisfy their inferior complex as well
 
In both examples, the same logic applies to international relations. Real restraint is not weakness; it is calculation. Those who accuse one side, in this case Pakistan, of showing restraint as if it were mere timidity often miss how deterrence works. Sometimes purposeful non-escalation is a signal of both capability and control. @hnn

I'm not sure about the context of the conversation, so I'm only going to contextualize your post that already has valueable practical insights for anyone who's familiar with the concept of deterrence.

So, in context of Pakistan and India:

Firstly, "deterrence by punishment" isn't practically and strategically feasible here because that form of deterrence requires firepower and attrition asymmetry, economic endurance, and escalation dominance i.e. one of the states involved in the conflict has a much weaker military and economy compared to the other (in simpler terms) e.g. US v. Afghanistan.

Secondly, amongst peer (or near-peer) military firepowers, deterrence by punishment becomes a "strategic miscalculation" as it removes ambiguity of intent, demands a response from the other side (for their domestic credibility), and compresses the escalation ladder rather abruptly.

So in Pakistan v. India context, "deterrence by punishment" is akin to an "open invitation" for an all-out war. Why? Let's step away from theory, and look into evidential history. Did the 1948 "deter" Pakistan from 1965? Or better, did the 1971 "deter" Pakistan from 1999? If "deterrence by punishment" didn't alter or shape the future behavior of a militarily weaker (in the past) Pakistan compared to India, what rational explanation is there to be found to assume that it'll shape the future behavior of India?

What Pakistan did back in 2019, and then in 2025 (albeit better) is:
  1. Deterrence by denial: denied India control over scale, opportunity for any tactical exploitation, and raised the cost to goal ratio (goals were denied too but a separate discussion).
  2. Latent deterrence: signalled to India the will and readiness to incur cost on any Indian aggression, and defense of Pakistan's sovereignty, with capability (CMs and Nukes) held in reserve still.
  3. Escalation control: this is the key deterrence signalled to India. By not replying to them in kind and yet denying them operational freedom, Pakistan implicitly communicated "you don't have control over this conflict, we don't have to use higher tiered weapons system (but we can) depending on your next move."
Why it is the key? Because Pakistan maintained the strategic ambiguity by not forcing them in a binary of either escalate (and risk severe punishment) or fold (and risk domestic humiliation). The ball was in India's court, and they had the options to:
  • Escalate without justification (invite severe punishment from Pakistan, severe scrutiny from international actors, and erode domestic credibility by getting bogged in a protracted war)
  • Continue their tactics and keep on bleeding (military attrition)
  • Realize that Pakistan can't be pushed over, and de-escalate while domestic face-saving is still in play
That escalation control and latent (punishment) deterrence is what forms the core of Minimal Credible Deterrence (MCD) i.e. nuclear arsenal. Nuclear exchange hasn't occurred post Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the single case real life example of certainty of "catastrophic punishment", combined with restraint and escalation control, remains in play globally.

So while "deterrence by punishment" appears emotionally satisfying, it is exercising "escalation and operational control" that wins military conflicts.

Pakistan doesn't have to (and didn't) dare India to "take a deep breath and step back" but rather make (and made) "taking a deep breath and stepping back" the most rationally viable move for survival. Incurring a severe punishment invites taking a step forward than back b/w peer military powers.

I have mentioned this before - India's post May behavior - feeding political rhetoric to their population in the aftermath of Dehli incident, their large-scale military exercises to explore and patch capability and doctrinal gaps, and now the expensive purchase order for Rafales - all this points to Pakistan having and showing credible deterrence back in May without causing "massive observable damage" - and to quote Sun Tzu here:

"The highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy's forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy's army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities"

PS: I'm going to go back and finish up the promised gamified geo-political framework. Hopefully, I will share that by the end of this week.
 
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Never imagined even the indians would start using the terms like "Rafail" and "Randfals" like Pakistanis have been using for trolling purposes. Lmao 🤣

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Never imagined even the indians would start using the terms like "Rafail" and "Randfals" like Pakistanis have been using for trolling purposes. Lmao 🤣

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Whenever, India is nearing a defence deal, many such accounts appear.

Indian political landscape is as dirty as it can get. Opposition parties, other sellers, everyone jumps into the fray to make things as murky as possible.

Prospect of making few votes or few dollars can make them change their own names. Aircraft and military hardware is still far fetched.
 
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Whenever, India is nearing a defence deal, many such accounts appear.

Indian political landscape is as dirty as it can get. Opposition parties, other sellers, erroneous jumps into the fray to make things as murky as possible.

Prospect of making few votes or few dollars can make them change their own names. Aircraft and military hardware is still far fetched.

I have hardly seen any joy for this deal at all. The majority has shown severe disdain. Not all of them are doing it because they have political affiliation with the opposition.

The reaction certainly isn't the same as it was when initial deal was being signed. Never saw this much hatred for Rafale with such terms being used.

Mr. Rahul hasn't even properly showed up on this yet. First, perhaps, it was only the overpricing issue with allegations of corruptions. Now the factor of "value for money" is also being questioned after not so impressive performance of the aircraft as was being expected. A common belief across the border was, "Rafales basically are meant to counter J-20 and PAF doesn't even qualify as worthy adversary for Rafales to be used"
 

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