Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

I don't think this is dementia.....it definitely isn't that.....

It would have been very simple to prove Trump wrong or that he has dementia if IAF would have come out clean with its own losses.......clearly they haven't.....and they don't want to because the real result was rather far more embarrassing than the shot down BS 001 tail photo that is now unequivocally spread over the internet.

OSINT being only able to get 4 photos from the actual crash sites means that bhindians were very successful at hiding and blacking out Internet over Kashmir where most of the packages fell or were damaged. That's their only saving grace, but of course, internally IAF knows how many they lost.

Remember part of off ramp was that Pakistan would stop strutting around......ISPR or PAF never gave a 3rd or 4th briefing again....even though May 10 attacks on Pakistan happened.

It only points to that IAF lost more than 7-8 jets claimed.............even if they were partially damaged and later written off.

IAF doesn't want to admit any losses for that matter so it does not serve it well to object to an already temperamental trump directly - it has paid shills like Cooper to do that for them.

Within India itself you have their military now providing excuses and messaging via their channels of "let us do our job" - "confused political messaging" while Pakistan seems to hide of all its blanket claims under "We dont want to embarass India further" seems to be a pointless "gentlemen's agreement" that has no place considering the type of dynamic now exists unless you only have electronic information and no actual way to prove your claims.

The simple matter is - Pakistan claimed 6-7 and that is likely the count. Infact, if you read the AFM article it is somewhat of a further contraction of what was or wasn't achieved on May 10 - you can claim it was escalation management and Indian fanboys can claim BuM was a failure.

 

[maverik]

IAF doesn't want to admit any losses for that matter so it does not serve it well to object to an already temperamental trump directly - it has paid shills like Cooper to do that for them.

Within India itself you have their military now providing excuses and messaging via their channels of "let us do our job" - "confused political messaging" while Pakistan seems to hide of all its blanket claims under "We dont want to embarass India further" seems to be a pointless "gentlemen's agreement" that has no place considering the type of dynamic now exists unless you only have electronic information and no actual way to prove your claims.

The simple matter is - Pakistan claimed 6-7 and that is likely the count. Infact, if you read the AFM article it is somewhat of a further contraction of what was or wasn't achieved on May 10 - you can claim it was escalation management and Indian fanboys can claim BuM was a failure.

"We dont want to embarass India further" or the chinese will not allow us to public their millitary satellite imagery

 

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[Malcolm Reynolds]

Basically it was half a dozen, and he's not lying, but probably mistook them for more could have gone down. US military intelligence knows what went down those nights, and with the Indian military covering up losses it makes matters worse.

so, basically 6,7,8,9,10,11, 12....

these are all arbitrary numbers with no proof to them. if US intelligence knows more about the May 2025 conflict than pak and chinese intelligence, then someone is having fun.

Trump is.

no one takes these numbers seriously except for those whom it is a matter of saving themselves from national disgrace.

 

[Malcolm Reynolds]

Its Trump - it will be soon. From the Pakistani side there is no disagreement on 7 claimed. The rest is enough to get you irked up and posting here which is enough for shits and giggles.

begs the question, does US intelligence know more or the PAF ? which is correct?

if you want my opinion, the whole thing is for shits and giggles. 6,7---10--11---never ending...

 

[Oscar]

begs the question, does US intelligence know more or the PAF ? which is correct?

if you want my opinion, the whole thing is for shits and giggles. 6,7---10--11---never ending...

I dont want your opinion -
But Trump's numbers on anything are what he remembers or makes up at that point.
PAF's consistent claim is 7 incl UAVs.
Photo Evidence is 4 - 1 Video uncertain - the other two are unclear.

 

[hasssanali8998]

6,7

this has always been our claim with 4 proven without doubt ( if u are not blind that is ), what trump says is none of our business and doesnt effect anyhting ,

have a good day

 

[Yasser76]

Anyone who claims they know the real number is full of BS. No one does.

Trump could be right or wrong, we actually have no way of telling, it is juts our opinions.

AFMs article clearly stated some more jets were damaged, we dont know the condition of these.

6-7 is what PAF has claimed, 8,9,10 is what Trump has stated. As many people have pointed out, IAF can clear all this up by coming clean. The fact they choose not to will just further fuel speculation.

A very bizarre state of affairs for sure, a sitting US president on an almost monthly basis bringing up IAF fighter losses.

Insane

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

begs the question, does US intelligence know more or the PAF ? which is correct?

if you want my opinion, the whole thing is for shits and giggles. 6,7---10--11---never ending...

right!

you would'nt either care or possibly know about the possible number, on the other hand!

so, only questions is, how much do you know!

 

[جوبا]

saar indian didnt loooose any planes saaar india actually captured pakistani planes so now IAF fleet is bigger than before the conflict started saarr

 

[Yasser76]

right!

you would'nt either care or possibly know about the possible number, on the other hand!

so, only questions is, how much do you know!

If it is the high end figure of 11 planes, for sure it would have been one of the biggest air to air combat losses for any air force in one day since WW2.

Incidentally now, PAF has not lost a single aircraft to enemy action since 1971. Over 55 years!!!

 

[rafale]

lets wrap up the year 2025 for the Indian aviation in general,

1-Started off with bhindoor, getting each type of their jet shot down over their own airspace without PAF ever crossing the border. 1xSU30, Mig29, M2K confirmed shot down. One Rafale confirmed shot down as well, plus 3 more shot down and 1x damaged and written off.

2-India proceeds to carry out NOTAM exercises, crashing their Jaguar as per usual SOP.

3-India proceeds to fly junk Tejas at Dubai Airshow and rightly kept its repute by crashing it in front of the world......maybe the pilot cut off the fuel switch to engine? After all Air India pilots did the same. So who knows?

So all in all, 2025 was a great year for Indian aviation in general. One for the history books.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

If it is the high end figure of 11 planes, for sure it would have been one of the biggest air to air combat losses for any air force in one day since WW2.

Incidentally now, PAF has not lost a single aircraft to enemy action since 1971. Over 55 years!!!

why would IAF, use SSCM to destroy, hangars?!

it is a question, which capable mind would answer

 

[Yasser76]

why would IAF, use SSCM to destroy, hangars?!

it is a question, which capable mind would answer

Unsure, massive waste of resources, my guess is that they did not want to enter Pak air space so were forced to use stand off missiles against hangers

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Unsure, massive waste of resources, my guess is that they did not want to enter Pak air space so were forced to use stand off missiles against hangers

It’s an admission of a mismatch in capabilities.

Firing a surface‑to‑surface missile at AWACS hangars, trying to destroy the aircraft before it even takes off, essentially concedes that once the AWACS is airborne, you have no answer to its capabilities.


There is not much more that needs to be said.
It’s a damning indictment of any air force, especially one that claims to be the ‘world’s best'.


hence, the ceasefire was brought forward!