Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

arjunk said:
Like I said, in the long run, Pakistan needs to build up its military and take back IOK by force with support from China.

The inernational community did NOTHING for Palestine OR Kashmir.

Begging for sympathy will NOT help.

We need to build up our economy, military and institutions to fight one final war to liberate Kashmir.

The clock is ticking - 10 years till India builds a dam.
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Even if your objective is merely top stop future Indian attacks, you need to hit hard.
 
SD 10 said:
Indians wont know sense untill we respond
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The response doesn’t have to be in domains the Indian military nor public are expecting. It has to be something that will deter the Indians for a long time to come, cripple them with contemplation. That is a real deterrence. They attacked across the IB and lost jets across the IB. They need a response across the IB in a domain that will linger on, preferably in their economy, driving away FDI/ hindering economic growth and business as usual, as long as they threaten Pakistan’s water and security.
 
Alert: Large Explosion in Walton Road, Lahore.
Currently under investigation
 
In the circulating video RSS terrorists attacked with missiles on civil defence forces including ambulances and fire trucks who were on site… let’s stop playing good dude, those times are over…,,
 
FuturePAF said:
What I’m saying is that it can’t be a repeat of operation Gibraltar ; expecting local support. It has to be a massive undertaking to build up Pakistan economically and militarily to be resilient enough to endure the consequences of the pressure before a war, and for the time afterwards.
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Why not local support? Operation Gibraltar 1965 was launched prematurely. Indian Occupied Kashmir really wasn't that agitated until into the mid 80s where the imperialistic policies of New Delhi started an uprising which led to tens of thousands of deaths in IoK. Before that, IoK was a relatively peaceful place. But since the 80s and especially since August 2019, Iok is more alienated then ever before.
As to your making Pakistan economically stronger, hard to do when there are the constant political agitations by one party or another. And just now, after the last 2-3 years of anarchy the political situation was starting to stabilize, the latest crisis in Kashmir happening, which some Pakistani analysts tie with the Indian desire to prevent Pakistan's nascent stabilization from taking roots.
 
am in lahore but not on walton road am more on raiwand road
 
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FuturePAF said:
The response doesn’t have to be in domains the Indian military nor public are expecting. It has to be something that will deter the Indians for a long time to come, cripple them with contemplation. That is a real deterrence. They attacked across the IB and lost jets across the IB. They need a response across the IB in a domain that will linger on, preferably in their economy, driving away FDI/ hindering economic growth and business as usual, as long as they threaten Pakistan’s water and security.
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Such as? Can you give any examples?
 
pakistanitarzan said:
I wanted to share my analysis in case someone did not understand the series of events last night. IAF outnumbered PAF by 3 times. Pak had 27 jets in Pakistan airspace while India had 70 to 80. Unlike Balakot attack, IAF were instructed not to cross over to the Pakistani airspace. Factors include (1) Wounds of operation swift retort that still aren't healed (2) Fear of loosing 4.5 Gen Rafaels and causing more emotional damage. With that said, their goal was to strike quick and use several g's to disappear deep in to Indian territory. Pakistan had advanced intelligence that they were coming. Pakistan Airforce on purpose let them use all their payload to hit Pakistani infrastructure. When their payload was empty, this is where IAF plan failed. As they were turning back, PAF used PL15 (over 230 km range) to lock and strike only those aircrafts that were used in the assault. Indians as usual were hiding their losses but recently French intelligence has confirmed that a Rafael was shot down. This causes momentum to be shifted among Pakistani citizens from "We need to retaliate further" to "Recent events caused enough humiliation that retaliation will not prove anything further".

As for me, I also wish a proper retaliation occurs since targeting (1) Pak mainland and (2) Masjid should be a big no no, but as @RescueRanger said, PA knows best and will likely take the best course of action.
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I agree with most of your analysis — especially the part about how the momentum has shifted among Pakistanis. However, I believe Pakistan must fully capitalize on the buffer zone advantage. If, due to political calculations or international pressure, this opportunity is not taken, it could backfire badly. Given our internal situation and the fact that the current leadership doesn’t have strong public support, any misstep now could lead to long-term consequences. The strategic upper hand we currently have should not be wasted.
 
Abdul q said:
In the circulating video RSS terrorists attacked with missiles on civil defence forces including ambulances and fire trucks who were on site… let’s stop playing good dude, those times are over…,,
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wut ?

rss missile attack, where, video link ??
 
RescueRanger said:
No brother - but this is confirmed - awaiting more information
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Aside from enemy attack, it also could be:
SAM interception
Own Missile firing
Own Artillery fire noises
Cylinder blast (remember a cylinder blast led Indian media to declare civil war has begun in Karachi a few years back...lolz)
 
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