Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[hnn]

Mirages primary mission set would likely be airfields suppression and CAS when possible. And barring the limited capability the mirages with exocets have in attacking actual mordern warships. Their most important strategic role is as the PAFs primary nuclear delivery platforms with RAADs.

Yes, and those roles are covered in Night Raids and Deep Strikes. I think daytime CAS will mostly be provided by UCAVs.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Where in the world did this appear from in the middle of all that has been going on between the US and India ?

Its a theoretical framework though, not a practical one, like the one between Pakistana and KSA . It covers Coordination & Technological Development Etc.

Though Indians are Pi**ed at the kind of trolling that the US is doing with them, with Trump throwing insults and Hegseth signing Pacts that will require Info Sharing from India without any actual military involvement from the US, in anything.

Also .. Its not even 1st April today.

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now, we know!

next war will either be the last war or it may not happen at all!

both possibilities are scary!


BTW, can USA sell rare earths to Ind?!!!

 

[Signalian]

Well I think they are our only options for offense, so:-
1. Deep Strikes (more probability to strike our Western neighbor than Eastern in case of 2 fronts)
2. Night Raids (ROSE variants, tactical bombing of dug-in positions, logistics and supply routes)
3. Anti-ship Raids on IN (5PA2/3 variants, can be rebased back South)

Though I think Mirages will only operate under 2 circumstances:-
1. Pre-emptive strikes (less likely)
2. All out war (absolutely haha)

Consider range of Mirages and weapons they can carry. They would also need air cover (J-10 in the air). The EW part and support aircraft that Mirage strike package would need.

 

[Signalian]

Mirages primary mission set would likely be airfields suppression and CAS when possible. And barring the limited capability the mirages with exocets have in attacking actual mordern warships. Their most important strategic role is as the PAFs primary nuclear delivery platforms with RAADs.

How can the gunships (Z10) pitch in for SEAD missions or EW support, if that's conceivable.

Z-10 will do the primary CAS role or tank hunting, but will it control drones and deploy them accordingly ?

 

[Signalian]

Forget the Haqiqat channel ...listen what sardar sb says ...will strike in night time:

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Did you wonder why are the AH-64Es operated by IAF and not IA ?

 

[hnn]

Consider range of Mirages and weapons they can carry. They would also need air cover (J-10 in the air). The EW part and support aircraft that Mirage strike package would need.

Yes, obviously they won't fly in alone but you asked for deployment probability for the 50th Squadron not the whole war plan for the air wing. Also, I don't think J-10Cs will be deployed Southwards. For any engagement down south it'll most likely be combination of JFTs and Mirages.

 

[Signalian]

Yes, obviously they won't fly in alone but you asked for deployment probability for the 50th Squadron not the whole war plan for the air wing. Also, I don't think J-10Cs will be deployed Southwards. For any engagement down south it'll most likely be combination of JFTs and Mirages.

In south, PAF has 5th Sqd with F-16 Block 52+.

Primary role of Mirage is delivery of H2 and H4. That requires use of data link and 2 x aircrafts.

 

[hnn]

next war will either be the last war or it may not happen at all!

both possibilities are scary!

For now I think the more likely case is that it won't happen or at least not in the manner we are worried about. I think India will keep feinting us with their near border military exercises, on and off violations at LOC, while simultaneously reinforcing the proxy in the West - which is more likely the conflict we'll be experiencing into the near future.

 

[hnn]

In south, PAF has 5th Sqd with F-16 Block 52+.

Primary role of Mirage is delivery of H2 and H4. That requires use of data link and 2 x aircrafts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but not all Squadrons of Mirages has that role to deliver H2 and H4 as their primary. I think it's the primary role for 27th.

Also, wouldn't 5th be limited to operate Eastwards rather than Southwards?

BTW I'm taking East and South in relation to IB and not in relation to the AF Base itself.

 

[Signalian]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but not all Squadrons of Mirages has that role to deliver H2 and H4 as their primary. I think it's the primary role for 27th.

Also, wouldn't 5th be limited to operate Eastwards rather than Southwards?

BTW I'm taking East and South in relation to IB and not in relation to the AF Base itself.

25th and 27th.

5th is over stretched. It will always be on demand everywhere. The F-16Cs have the most range among all PAF aircrafts, with their CFTs. Then the D versions and then AMs. Secondly, F-16s from this squadron will carry the most updated pods (EW etc). Although multirole, they will be on CAPs in Pakistani air and escort missions outside the borders.

In the south, 5th has the best assets followed by JFTs and 19th Sqd.

 

[hnn]

25th and 27th.

5th is over stretched. It will always be on demand everywhere. The F-16Cs have the most range among all PAF aircrafts, with their CFTs. Then the D versions and then AMs. Secondly, F-16s from this squadron will carry the most updated pods (EW etc). Although multirole, they will be on CAPs in Pakistani air and escort missions outside the borders.

In the south, 5th has the best assets followed by JFTs and 19th Sqd.

Yes true. I think we are getting stuck in the details because any actual deployment will vary as per the enemy deployment. I understand why 5th may be needed for escorts but when I said any engagement down south will involve a combination of JFTs and Mirages, I was already assuming engagements on East, South, and West combined, in which scenario 5th will most likely be limited to East. However, if East is not engaged, or engaged partially then 5th can operate Southwards.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Agreed but right now there is a lot of hatred against the field marshal and the army in general particularly in Karachi and Kp

Wait till you see the hatred the people of Karachi or ANY other Pakistanis will have for an invading indian or ANY other foreign force trying to enter in to Pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

Yes true. I think we are getting stuck in the details because any actual deployment will vary as per the enemy deployment. I understand why 5th may be needed for escorts but when I said any engagement down south will involve a combination of JFTs and Mirages, I was already assuming engagements on East, South, and West combined, in which scenario 5th will most likely be limited to East. However, if East is not engaged, or engaged partially then 5th can operate Southwards.

Its important to understand what an aircraft can carry, how far, and what defensive suite its equipped with. Then its back up - support package.

In case of Mirages or JFT, which support aircraft and ground equipment from PAF/PN will provide support for Naval operations ?
1. DA-20 ?
2. Erieye/ZDK-03?
3. Air refueler?
4. Ground based radars?
5. Ground based missiles?

Which PN ships and their systems (e.g DL) will be linked with PAF aircraft for real time information/data transfer ?

Theoretically, can PN submarine communicate with PAF aircraft in the air ?
Does the link go like this ->
PN Submarine - P3/Sea Sultan/RAS 72 - AWACS Erieye/ZDK-03 - JFT/Mirage ?

 

[hnn]

Does the link go like this ->
PN Submarine - P3/Sea Sultan/RAS 72 - AWACS Erieye/ZDK-03 - JFT/Mirage ?

Alright, I understand what you mean now. So what am I missing with the JFTs and Mirages combo operating down South? What I can infer from your response is that the data-link is the missing piece of puzzle in there.

 

[Signalian]

Alright, I understand what you mean now. So what am I missing with the JFTs and Mirages combo operating down South? What I can infer from your response is that the data-link is the missing piece of puzzle in there.

Mirage-V can carry 1 x Exocet which has 70km range.
JFT can carry 2 x AShMs with different ranges up to 200 Km+
So JFT is more viable platform since it carries modern RWRs, DL for link 17 with AWACs etc.

For the missile, a ship is a moving target, so would the missile require guidance corrections from data link (JFT or AWACs) and how susceptible will it be to jamming.

Are all IN ships equipped with CIWS ?