Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Lion]

View attachment 168898View attachment 168899The only two I’m convinced of so far. The rest are all up for debate. Just because a structures roof looks darker or has lines doesn’t meant it’s collapsed. Look closer at historical imagery and you’ll see those same lines and divisions between where the colors are changing in older imagery too, it suggests different materials, maybe renovations and repairs etc which react differently to sat imagery.

For example all the dark spots and artifacts/lines for this one are visible in both the before (lower image) and after.

 

[Lion]

convenient timing .

Not what I meant - if a roof has been repaired say 3 years ago, as opposed to the rest of the roof being 10 years old, it might look different on sat imagery, or if materials are different, it’s exposed differently, etc etc.

 

[Ibbi32]

Yes because the rest of iaf was grounded

were there any jets in the hangers?

 

[Master Chief]

so infuriating a guy on twitter is doing a better job than PA , to think they have these images for months and didn't release anything .

We must not forget the psychology of warfare, especially when India is the enemy. Books could be written on this subject alone.

As we have all speculated many times over the months, there are plenty of good reasons for delaying and/or withholding altogether the images, despite the ululations of the pajeetistani qom to our east.

1. Multiple incompetent senior Indian military staff have by now fully retained their positions of authority. The window for dismissing them for incompetence has long passed. I doubt these images will make any sort of news over there anyway as the likes of Goswami serve the government narrative and nothing more.

2. Not wishing to compromise our own and Chinese intelligence capabilities by revealing those capabilities. Human intel is also at risk every time a picture acquired or distributed through clandestine networks is revealed. @Corax mentioned this, as did others.

Now that they have arrived via an open source, it would appear that none of the sensitive/vulnerable intel methods/operatives have been compromised.

Job well done by the deep state.

 

[Oscar]

Easier said than done. The procurement is a mess due to bureaucratic red tape and political meddling. Without proper planned procurement, integration becomes much nore difficult.

Our smaller size maybe a blessing as it keeps us on toes to counter a much bigger adversary. Their overconfidence and chest thumping attitude leads to your point of them underestimating PAF. Their delusions of grandeur are fueled by Bollywood and propaganda machinery.

I visited Defence Forum Bharat once and they were conquering Chinese territory there. The PLAAF was at disadvantage because of high altitude bases in Tibet, so IAF had upper hand in a potential conflict over Arunachal/Zangnan. I tried to do an objective debate with their analysts in a Twitter space for some time. Had to block them because the only thing they had was abusive language.

The biggest concern is if they learn competence in their planning. They will whip PAF butts - and I am not being negative here.

A competent airforce (not competent personnel of which they have plenty and good fighter pilots/section/AD leaders) would have thought much further ahead with their budgets instead of putting it all on the Flanker platform and then that too completely on the two seat variant where you need two heads and then the associated serviceability and FOD concerns.

A competent procurement structure and not one full of itself wouldn't have spent 15 years deciding on replacing their medium weight aircraft(PAF can somewhat give the excuse of simply being broke regardless of it's own dithering and personal glory projects) when they had the best platforms on a platter to them.

When you tout having "telepresense" as some achievement for yourself being so called IT powerhouse - and the net result is that you get fleeced for a jet you would have paid less for 10 years ago and been able to have in good numbers through HAL - it clearly shows they all operate in publications and stamps.
That could very well change, they have shown capacity to learn fast before and might do so again.

But for that to happen you need their top leadership in BJP to give greater autonomy to IAF and then let their own merit work in.

It could happen to , so I dont think PAF should take any "they wont change" stances.

What they managed to do in May 25 at a minimum is clarify that Pakistan's Implicit deterrence (vs explicit as demonstrated in the engagement) was considered much lower to them and for that I would squarely put the blame on two former COAS with one specific one whose doctrine painted Pakistan as total bendovers.

 

[AeronautIR]

The biggest concern is if they learn competence in their planning. They will whip PAF butts - and I am not being negative here.

A competent airforce (not competent personnel of which they have plenty and good fighter pilots/section/AD leaders) would have thought much further ahead with their budgets instead of putting it all on the Flanker platform and then that too completely on the two seat variant where you need two heads and then the associated serviceability and FOD concerns.

A competent procurement structure and not one full of itself wouldn't have spent 15 years deciding on replacing their medium weight aircraft(PAF can somewhat give the excuse of simply being broke regardless of it's own dithering and personal glory projects) when they had the best platforms on a platter to them.

When you tout having "telepresense" as some achievement for yourself being so called IT powerhouse - and the net result is that you get fleeced for a jet you would have paid less for 10 years ago and been able to have in good numbers through HAL - it clearly shows they all operate in publications and stamps.
That could very well change, they have shown capacity to learn fast before and might do so again.

But for that to happen you need their top leadership in BJP to give greater autonomy to IAF and then let their own merit work in.

It could happen to , so I dont think PAF should take any "they wont change" stances.

IAF is a professional air force but they have been let down by those who call the shots. PAF can't afford to underestimate the adversary even with these issues in Indian decision making.
E.g., even without integration, Su-30 and Rafale are lethal platforms and a serious threat. Same for S-400.

However, I personally think that IAF will need years to get out of this mess. So unless PAF becomes complacent like you mentioned and God forbid commits some blunders, the air parity of both air forces will not change in foreseeable future.

With a lot of talk about induction plans of both sides, let's see what 2026 has in store for us.

 

[Lion]

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Only the 2nd, 3rd and 8th seem real to me, and possibly the 4th. The first does seem to have taken damage in some form, but more so in some sort of roofing being torn off, it does not look like it was hit and that there’s a crater in the roof of the building, all of the rest just seem to be misidentified because of low quality imagery, I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.

If we add these three, that makes a total of 6 satellite images in entirety so far that show an Indian military target being damaged since may, the three older ones are already on the forum (CPRF camp, Some random building in IOJK, and supposedly an IAF MCC building). 7 if we also include number 4 in the thread above.

 

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[Maarkhoor]

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Look at the delusion they are still trying to spread in favor of Modi.

 

[Starlord]

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Look at the delusion they are still trying to spread in favor of Modi.

I really hope that Indian top military leadership is as delulu as these so called Journalists are..

 

[Ak01]

@Ak01 happy now mate?

Why not?

Evidence is always great, now let’s see what comes of the rest.

I’m yet to look at the images, but any evidence is good.

 

[Oscar]

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Only the 2nd, 3rd and 8th seem real to me, and possibly the 4th. The first does seem to have taken damage in some form, but more so in some sort of roofing being torn off, it does not look like it was hit and that there’s a crater in the roof of the building, all of the rest just seem to be misidentified because of low quality imagery, I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.

If we add these three, that makes a total of 6 satellite images in entirety so far that show an Indian military target being damaged since may, the three older ones are already on the forum (CPRF camp, Some random building in IOJK, and supposedly an IAF MCC building). 7 if we also include number 4 in the thread above.

Neither of these evidenced are from official sources AFAIK.

Even if official sources release such images today their impact will be the same as if IAF chief’s absurd claims.

 

[Master Chief]

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Look at the delusion they are still trying to spread in favor of Modi.

The constipated BC on the left hasn't relieved himself since 2024, never mind relive 2025.

 

[Cipher212]

The second tweet is bullshit ...its a water puddle or a burn mark as it is even visible before may and even before that... i have checked it myself...apart from some depo bunkers there isnt much suspecious marks...View attachment 168859

All four of India's SSBN were in this puddle at the time of strike. They are all destroyed.