Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Vkdindian1]

and if so what is the time and place regarding BDA since video and imagary of shot down jets is available so that aspect is not in India's favor well before this article came out.

Infact ISPR has played it very smartly. ISPR must have obtained the imagery and realised the futility of releasing those images with nothing substantial to show.

Rather than giving it a closer by giving any credit to the adversary, they decided to keep it open by stating “time and place of own choosing “.

Everyone knows that Google Earth updates its imagery once or twice a year. With changing seasons and changing colours with shadows in play there was enough opportunity to create some commotion in this regard. It is better to keep common population guessing and hopeful rather than giving it a closer.

ISPR would keep quiet and unlikely to utter a single word over these images. Any official word might trigger an entity to actually release good quality images and put them in a spot.

The battle space is social media and the stakes are over narratives.

Isn’t public release of BDA all about narratives after all? There is nothing to loose here for ISPR.

 

[Vkdindian1]

He can earn way more by engagement farming Indians, a far bigger audience than Pakistan.

That space is already full. In this world of hyper nationalism it is difficult to create a place for oneself.

Sawhney has very smartly realised that, this space is empty and is filling that niche space. How many other Indian content providers get coverage on pdf? The answer is none. It is Sawhney all the way.

Imagine the viewership a Pakistani would have got from Indians had that person made similar content from Pakistani soil? But we all know any such person would be picked up and reappear after software reset in a couple of weeks or a month. Sawhney is lucky that he is free to follow his calling with no such fear.

Many people love him here because he says what they want to hear. He appears like only sane voice where every other guy is trying to please Indian crowds. Anyone who says anything against Pakistan is given many labels. But not Sawhney. He has gained their full love and affection.

But he has taken it too far and lost credibility. Each and every act by government this side is wrong and by the Chinese and Pakistani is gold standard. That’s what exposed him as ₹₹ hungry shill like many others. He is no better than Arnab and Gaurav Arya. Just that the side of the coin is different.

Had he maintained a balanced approach, he would have gained credence as sane voice by people from this side too.

 

[Khanivore]

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[Hayabusa]

The low res isn't supposed to show the actual structure but instead show whether there is a change to the structure sizeable enough that it would register a difference in the before and after satellite imagery. The low-res doesn't indicate a change, ergo the structure was likely already in that state prior to the conflict according to Damien.

Unfortunately, that's just a low-quality cope. Those low-resolution images don't change the facts, nor do they make any logical sense. I'm speaking from years of laboratory experience both during university and in my professional career. I'm going to call a spade a spade. This doesn't hold up.

Like I said, purchase the image, and the truth will come out . It's not like I don't want it to be true, who wouldn't want to know of actual targets we managed to hit.

Well, no one here is going to do that right now.

I am not saying that there was no damage, I am only disputing the claims of these being targets that got hit. Most of them do not show any verifiable evidence. I know of an area that got hit in Pathankot as well that i managed to geolocate toward a cantt, what exactly got hit.. who knows.

Fair enough.

 

[Oscar]

Infact ISPR has played it very smartly. ISPR must have obtained the imagery and realised the futility of releasing those images with nothing substantial to show.

Rather than giving it a closer by giving any credit to the adversary, they decided to keep it open by stating “time and place of own choosing “.

Everyone knows that Google Earth updates its imagery once or twice a year. With changing seasons and changing colours with shadows in play there was enough opportunity to create some commotion in this regard. It is better to keep common population guessing and hopeful rather than giving it a closer.

ISPR would keep quiet and unlikely to utter a single word over these images. Any official word might trigger an entity to actually release good quality images and put them in a spot.

The battle space is social media and the stakes are over narratives.

Isn’t public release of BDA all about narratives after all? There is nothing to loose here for ISPR.

Schrodinger's cat.

 

[Hayabusa]

That space is already full. In this world of hyper nationalism it is difficult to create a place for oneself.

Sawhney has very smartly realised that, this space is empty and is filling that niche space. How many other Indian content providers get coverage on pdf? The answer is none. It is Sawhney all the way.

Imagine the viewership a Pakistani would have got from Indians had that person made similar content from Pakistani soil? But we all know any such person would be picked up and reappear after software reset in a couple of weeks or a month. Sawhney is lucky that he is free to follow his calling with no such fear.

Many people love him here because he says what they want to hear. He appears like only sane voice where every other guy is trying to please Indian crowds. Anyone who says anything against Pakistan is given many labels. But not Sawhney. He has gained their full love and affection.

But he has taken it too far and lost credibility. Each and every act by government this side is wrong and by the Chinese and Pakistani is gold standard. That’s what exposed him as ₹₹ hungry shill like many others. He is no better than Arnab and Gaurav Arya. Just that the side of the coin is different.

Had he maintained a balanced approach, he would have gained credence as sane voice by people from this side too.

Most of your points are balanced, but I have to disagree with the comparison regarding Arnab, Gaurav, and possibly Bakshi. Watching them is genuinely painful not because of their anti-Pakistan rhetoric, but simply because they are so aggressive and behave almost like children. They seem to put their points to win instead of to listen. It's very hard to sit through.

Contrary, there are also others that I am able to tolerate. ThePrint on YouTube is fairly tame and allows me to understand the Indian perspective. Notably, they are much more tolerable, even if their bias toward India is naturally still there

 

[lightning f57]

If I take a conservative stance in rating very high-level which country came out on top after the May clash I would put it like this:

objectives: India hit its targets on the first day but failed to prove any link to Palgham attack. Internationally and diplomatically a failure.

On military clash v Pak, in the air it lost planes but on ground managed to hit numerous targets. Overall I would say an even Steven.

Strategically India showed it can attack Pak bases without pushing the nuclear threshold, it also terminated the water treaty which IMO was the main objective, a victory for India here.

Pak from a strategic perspective showed in a limited war it can hurt India, this also helped improve profile of Chinese arms contributing to sales, and on the international stage played the better hand nearly in every move. Big win for Pak here.

Overall I would say Pak edged it, India got little support for its attack didnt deter retaliation and internationally isolated itself.

 

[Oscar]

This is something I found pretty frustrating - CMANO isnt perfect but it is used by various professional teams. I used the old NK KN-09 MLRS as an analogy, probably not perfect but against a BM target launched from off Gujranwala cantt - the S-400(outfitted with 40N6) is unable to engage until 20NM out citing insufficient reflection/LOS issues.
@Afif Could you check the same if you ever have time?


This is a BM target - technically the 40N6 should be going Mach 14
But in all seriousness I am not sure why this long for the engagement against a MLRS which did an apogee of about 60km.

it does however kill the single MLRS target(Single F1).

 

[Falcon26]

If I take a conservative stance in rating very high-level which country came out on top after the May clash I would put it like this:

objectives: India hit its targets on the first day but failed to prove any link to Palgham attack. Internationally and diplomatically a failure.

On military clash v Pak, in the air it lost planes but on ground managed to hit numerous targets. Overall I would say an even Steven.

Strategically India showed it can attack Pak bases without pushing the nuclear threshold, it also terminated the water treaty which IMO was the main objective, a victory for India here.

Pak from a strategic perspective showed in a limited war it can hurt India, this also helped improve profile of Chinese arms contributing to sales, and on the international stage played the better hand nearly in every move. Big win for Pak here.

Overall I would say Pak edged it, India got little support for its attack didnt deter retaliation and internationally isolated itself.

Losing jets is way more bigger deal than hitting military bases, especially premier frontline jets ( Rafales, Su-30, mirage-2000 & mig-29). Any country can loft some missiles, even Iran did so against Israel from thousands of miles away. But both missile attacks were marginal for the most part.

The Indian Air Force has been proven to be a farce and by their own admission grounded for two days by a country 10x smaller.

There’s no way one can equate the mauling and destruction India got in their air with the mostly insignificant missile attacks on land. But Indians are welcome to cope.

 

[falcon34]

Infact ISPR has played it very smartly. ISPR must have obtained the imagery and realised the futility of releasing those images with nothing substantial to show.

Rather than giving it a closer by giving any credit to the adversary, they decided to keep it open by stating “time and place of own choosing “.

Everyone knows that Google Earth updates its imagery once or twice a year. With changing seasons and changing colours with shadows in play there was enough opportunity to create some commotion in this regard. It is better to keep common population guessing and hopeful rather than giving it a closer.

ISPR would keep quiet and unlikely to utter a single word over these images. Any official word might trigger an entity to actually release good quality images and put them in a spot.

The battle space is social media and the stakes are over narratives.

Isn’t public release of BDA all about narratives after all? There is nothing to loose here for ISPR.

On a very very serious not do you really think this is just discoloration??

 

[Sparten]

Strategically India showed it can attack Pak bases without pushing the nuclear threshold, it also terminated the water treaty which IMO was the main objective, a victory for India here.

They haven't made any substantial moves on the water treaty. Juts a lot of noise.

 

[Khanivore]

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[safriz]

Can anyone look into the Google earth images of Beas army area ?

There are videos of the Pakistani strike . Allegedly here they had Brahmos storage.
In the video watch the blue signpost. It may have the clue where to look on the maps

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[Vkdindian1]

Arnab, Gaurav, and possibly Bakshi.

Arnab and Bakshi are idiots at a different level all together.

Sawhney hasn’t reached there yet. But, he is playing to the gallery in same way as Arnab and Bakshi. My comparison was in that regard. If we talk of drama then Sawhney has a lot to learn from our dear Arnab.

There are many balanced ones here and they still do journalism. Sadly, that number is going down every day. Because money lies with sensationalism and any sane journalism is likely to be factual and not meet that criteria.

 

[Vkdindian1]

On a very very serious not do you really think this is just discoloration??

Before I answer you, just think. Is a recruitment office a great target to waste your weapons on? Especially, when there are highly valuable assets just a stone throw away from this office?

Would PA have deliberately fired at this building? Or it was damaged because that missile was spoofed to go astray and strike something insignificant? If at all.

You have been putting a lot of effort to find something. But you seem to suffer from confirmation bias and also highly emotional about it. Both these traits can affect objective analysis of an issue.

Battle damage has to be done with images of a certain quality where the damage can be discerned without any doubt. Discolouration, shadows etc shouldn’t be able to cast even a shred of doubt in that regard. Which isn’t the case here.

Hence, your effort is unlikely to find an approval from me.