Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Ali_Baba said:
At this point, you have to assume that they have a lot of the infrastructure in place to support the Rafale. So, logically, the 3rd order would be more representative of actual unit cost ( + munitions), with a little fluff for support services.

This contract of $36 billion for 114 works out at $315.7 million per UNIT.. There must be alot of ammunition, or alot of kickbacks and corruption baked into this contract. Nothing else would make sense.

Pakistan can get a J10CE for $50million, to "counter" a $315million dollar Rafale.... go figure.
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The problem with not sharing the source code is that they may have problems developing their own "indian" datalink down the road and integrating them into the Rafale, unless they give over the datalink secrets to France and get them to do it on a times and material basis!

What is the 30% that they will make in India ?
 
Ali_Baba said:
The problem with not sharing the source code is that they may have problems developing their own "indian" datalink down the road and integrating them into the Rafale, unless they give over the datalink secrets to France and get them to do it on a times and material basis!

What is the 30% that they will make in India ?
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Great question. What exactly is that 30% "Make in India", the landing gears and tyres, and fuel tanks?
 
Khanivore said:
Great question. What exactly is that 30% "Make in India", the landing gears and tyres, and fuel tanks?
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some lemons and coconuts to put on the Rafale's before they're shot down by PL15 and J10C as well as the JF17 Thunders!

LOL
 
side-winder said:
Chalo bhai.

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And wreckage of these drones doesn't exist just like wreckage of those F16, JF17 and AWACS doesn't exist that were shot down by IAF as per AP singh
 
NA71 said:
Yes....watch again

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There was one near Gujranwala, where these two guy can be heard saying lets open and see if we can a motor for a water pump or washing machine out of it :D
 
Cash gk said:
What I am questioning is our own conduct.
My concern is how our own military and political leadership treated the Founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in his final days. When he was gravely ill in the late 1948, he was removed from Karachi the largest city in the country, where proper doctors and hospitals were available and taken to a remote area that was barely a town at the time. Even today, that area lacks adequate medical facilities.
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Off topic and I hope the moderators will allow one final post.
Facts and the history of the cruelty wrought by a savage enemy in our nation must be told,
We must examine the conditions prevailing in Pakistan to understand why medical care even to the Founding Father of the nation was inadequate.
In late 1948 Pakistan was completely and utterly bankrupt and was officially a failed state, with a worthless currency that was merely rubber stamped demonetized British Government of India bank notes,
The industries of British ruled India were mainly in the areas that remained in India. Pakistan was a tribal, agricultural economy and after independence was militarily attacked, sanctioned and blockaded literally into the stone age.
Pakistan was critically short of medical supplies, and doctors, and the hospitals were rendered useless without power, or functioning ambulances. There was no funding to import these. Hundreds of thousands of babies and pregnant women; millions of sick, and elderly ( including injured refugees from India), perished because of lack of medical care.This was a fearful toll, far worse than the Coronavirus pandemic of 2020-21 .
It was not just civilians, but ill equipped army personnel fighting a war unleashed by a seven times superior well armed enemy in the freezing mountains of Kashmir who also suffered from lack of medical and surgical care.
Tens of thousands of soldiers died in those fateful months because their injuries couldn't be treated in the gutted Army hospitals.The official civilian and military toll due to the embargo on medical supplies has never been counted or acknowledged by any government since 1947.
The pain of those who suffered has been recounted by the survivors of the horror. My family personally suffered in those fateful months There was only one female gynecologist in the then East Pakistan and in the primitive conditions of the filthy Dhaka hospital labor room, she performed a cesarean section without adequate anesthesia on my aunt, She delivered the baby, but my aunt died of infection and trauma. Shortly afterwards this gynecologist herself died because there was no one to deliver her baby.
Medical conditions in Pakistan were primitive, so primitive that even the Qaid e Azam could not be given adequate treatment for his medical condition.
Pakistan's ambassador to the USA had received an offer from the US government offering assistance to fly the Quaid-e Azam Jinnah to the USA for treatment. A special long range aircraft would be provided by the USA. Qaid-e-Azam Jinnah refused saying he couldn't put such a burden of expenses on his bankrupt nation. (Note: This incident has been recounted by Air Commodore Khalid Chishti in a recent interview )
On the Jinnah monument:
It is ironic that the mausoleum of the Qaid-e-Azam is far more elegant and beautiful than Nehru's own memorial which is frequently vandalized by Hindutva fascists.
it is equally ironic that if as claimed Pakistan's Founding Father, wasn't honored in his last days, India's Founding Father Mr. Mohandas Karamchand fared far worse with three bullets in his head ( said to be punishment for getting some funds released to Pakistan).
The most ironic of all is the fact that Nehru and Gandhi are both cursed today by their own people and their monuments, statues and memorials vandalized globally, The Qaid e Azam's memorials have so far escaped vandalism
 
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Starlord said:
PL-15 nazar aye ya nai, we can joke and troll Indians here but I really really hope that people in Pakistani Defense establishment does not take the threat lightly.
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Bhai, if they couldn’t impress us with 36, what will they do with 114? By the time they actually get it, we’ll have already inducted a force multiplier.
 
Some desperate delusional Indians on Reddit and X are claiming - 8 months later - that they have found PAF F-16 debris. Absolute nonsense.

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They're claiming off this video. Just look at the fools in the comments.

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