Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

The problem with having a strong layered AD is that it's way too costly a solution, especially if the other side has huge stockpiles - and our fragile economy can only allow us to have so much.

I think, for us, a better and more feasible approach is to enhance the counter offensive capabilities to raise the level of detterence while having limited AD systems, so much as the money allows, only for protection of VHVAs - in addition, better dispersal plans and redundant backups to critical infrastructures vital for operations should remain the priority.

Then comes another problem - geography which favors india big time - not having enough strategic depth means nearly all your key bases are at stones throw distance from LoC / IB while they can hide and disperse their assets as deep as they want.

Sometimes i really wish at least we had as much resources at our disposal as they have - at least to nullify to some extent the disadvantage of our geographical limitations. But both these factors are against us - so challenge for us is manyfolds bigger.

The other aspect also is Iran is a natural fortress - Mountains all over - essentially ready to go bunkers.
In Pakistan’s case the mountains you have aren’t exactly of solid rock(you’ve blasted most of them for construction) and those that are sit in areas where the locals mostly hate you.

You then are left with very little options other than dispersal and having more offensive forces that do not require runways to launch but then are much less accurate.

How long have I been hearing that the Navy will move to Pasni and it never materializes - or that funds aren’t there for additional squadrons.

yet we have issues of funds for jet so to avoid losing the few millions still available ik budget instead of investment in improving infrastructure, decoys or so on the money is being spent on latest models of armored VIP staff cars as Ive heard recently (hoping I am wrong).

We talk to Indians shooting themselves in the foot well THEY CAN AFFORD TO - Pakistanis cannotz

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Came across this report about PAF base Murid which was hit during May 2025 conflict.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/failed-repairs-pakistan-demolishes-murid-air-base-building-hit-during-operation-sindoor-11193438

As it is coming from Indian media I would take it with pinch of salt. What's the actual status of this airbase as of now?

 

[Psyko70]

After may conflict. Indians are inducting new missile types.

Pakistan will be doing too.

The way pakistan AD performed. Pakistan also is working to improve it.

Its too early to decide if pakistan will be in bad situation.

Wait and have some faith in our forces. If they did well in 19 and 25 the way they did. They will do it even better next time.

InshaAllah.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[rafale]

The other aspect also is Iran is a natural fortress - Mountains all over - essentially ready to go bunkers.
In Pakistan’s case the mountains you have aren’t exactly of solid rock(you’ve blasted most of them for construction) and those that are sit in areas where the locals mostly hate you.

You then are left with very little options other than dispersal and having more offensive forces that do not require runways to launch but then are much less accurate.

How long have I been hearing that the Navy will move to Pasni and it never materializes - or that funds aren’t there for additional squadrons.

yet we have issues of funds for jet so to avoid losing the few millions still available ik budget instead of investment in improving infrastructure, decoys or so on the money is being spent on latest models of armored VIP staff cars as Ive heard recently (hoping I am wrong).

We talk to Indians shooting themselves in the foot well THEY CAN AFFORD TO - Pakistanis cannotz

I think ALBMs are the real threat and that's what India is going to go for. Meaning Pakistan has no choice but to up the game in terms of ABM shield and having its own ALBMs......CM-400s have already been tested in combat.....should build more upon that.

Doesn't HQ9BE has ABM capability?

Besides, in Iranian conflict, i think drones represent the biggest threat, that taking out of US assets in Bahrain and then THAAD radar and US desperation to air lift THAAD out of south korea showcases the asymmetric warfare and its benefits.

It is pretty embarrassing for the least............hitting pretty much unarmed F-14s/ F-4s on the ground, blowing up bunch of rag tag boats isn't winning. Iran is still crippling the hormuz...........so much for speed and might of US military superiority.

 

[Alex]

The other aspect also is Iran is a natural fortress - Mountains all over - essentially ready to go bunkers.
In Pakistan’s case the mountains you have aren’t exactly of solid rock(you’ve blasted most of them for construction) and those that are sit in areas where the locals mostly hate you.

You then are left with very little options other than dispersal and having more offensive forces that do not require runways to launch but then are much less accurate.

How long have I been hearing that the Navy will move to Pasni and it never materializes - or that funds aren’t there for additional squadrons.

yet we have issues of funds for jet so to avoid losing the few millions still available ik budget instead of investment in improving infrastructure, decoys or so on the money is being spent on latest models of armored VIP staff cars as Ive heard recently (hoping I am wrong).

We talk to Indians shooting themselves in the foot well THEY CAN AFFORD TO - Pakistanis cannotz

One thing I don't understand is how Pakistani politicians, never mind their political party, can afford to spend luxuries on themselves while in power, irrespective of their posts and power dynamics. While Pakistan's budget is mostly financed by internal and external loans and borrowing.
Don't these people have any heart and loyalty to Pakistan?

 

[T80UD]

The other aspect also is Iran is a natural fortress - Mountains all over - essentially ready to go bunkers.
In Pakistan’s case the mountains you have aren’t exactly of solid rock(you’ve blasted most of them for construction) and those that are sit in areas where the locals mostly hate you.

You then are left with very little options other than dispersal and having more offensive forces that do not require runways to launch but then are much less accurate.

How long have I been hearing that the Navy will move to Pasni and it never materializes - or that funds aren’t there for additional squadrons.

yet we have issues of funds for jet so to avoid losing the few millions still available ik budget instead of investment in improving infrastructure, decoys or so on the money is being spent on latest models of armored VIP staff cars as Ive heard recently (hoping I am wrong).

We talk to Indians shooting themselves in the foot well THEY CAN AFFORD TO - Pakistanis cannotz

Even BPS 16 ACs are driven around in Revos each costing between 12-15 million pkr each, not to mention probably the most useless profession in this country the Judges having access to insane amount of luxuries.

 

[kimjongun]

Even BPS 16 ACs are driven around Revo's each costing between 12-15 million pkr each, not to mention probably the most useless profession in this country the Judges having access to insane amount of luxuries.

there are shit ton of expenditures who almost every officer does when he is assinged to an are , "renovating" newly built bungalows , lavish vehicles and what not...the whole leadership is full of corrupts

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

there are shit ton of expenditures who almost every officer does when he is assinged to an are , "renovating" newly built bungalows , lavish vehicles and what not...the whole leadership is full of corrupts

ones in customs and FBR, can roam around in any vehicle they choose!

try not to laugh!

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The way Iran is thrashing Israel… better hope the andhbakt don’t end up fatherless, since Israel is their Fatherland!

 

[Oscar]

The way Iran is thrashing Israel… better hope the andhbakt don’t end up fatherless, since Israel is their Fatherland!

Their ideals are still able to be executed independently (even if they were keen to do a joint op in this chaos) from what is happening to Israel.

The issue for them is they cannot tolerate losses - had they still pressed on after the losses on 7th they would have been able to bring down PAF jets but their command is for the lack of a better word “cowards”.

 

[kimjongun]

Their ideals are still able to be executed independently (even if they were keen to do a joint op in this chaos) from what is happening to Israel.

The issue for them is they cannot tolerate losses - had they still pressed on after the losses on 7th they would have been able to bring down PAF jets but their command is for the lack of a better word “cowards”.

they missed a very good opportunity is what ur tryna say right?

 

[Oscar]

they missed a very good opportunity is what ur tryna say right?

Yes - they still could have launched their meteors and derbys if they actually worked in an aggressive coordinated fashion.
It seemed that their right hand had no idea what their left was doing.

 

[side-winder]

Another meltdown

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[rafale]

Yes - they still could have launched their meteors and derbys if they actually worked in an aggressive coordinated fashion.
It seemed that their right hand had no idea what their left was doing.

Oscar,

I believe, respectfully, the PL15s outrange Meteors by a large margin and if PAF was targeting using off board radars and AWACs, how would IAF launch their Meteors first before getting shot at?

One Rafale was shot at 190km.......that's what we know....what no one knows is the true full range of PL15...is it 200km? 250km?

Secondly, i firmly believe that their Rafales, which were carrying Meteors, could have launched or attempted to the very moment their strike packages were being attacked by PAF, yet they did not. And the reason is not ROE bullshit or whatever copium Indians say. You don't fly with offensive Meteors and MICAs and be restricted by ROE. Makes zero sense.

I believe, they did manage to evade some PL15s, and in that situation even it means that specific jet is now out of the position of posing any threat (just like S-400 being wrapped up and running around isn't gonna be able to launch missiles, so is pretty useless during the action).

By this logic, PAF could have escalated to take high risk and utilized JF-17s BLK IIIs to launch PL15s as well.

 

[PakFactor]

Yes - they still could have launched their meteors and derbys if they actually worked in an aggressive coordinated fashion.
It seemed that their right hand had no idea what their left was doing.

Your assessment is correct; the Indian's just need one officer with an aggressive bone in his body, and the situation would immediately take a 180-degree turn. Hence, why I've staying quite on this Ind-Pak thread.